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tombro posted 10-07-2006 08:05 AM ET (US)
LOA 25'6"
Beam 9'6"
Fuel 200 gals
Max HP 500
Last, but not least: Deadrise 23 degrees.
These stats in a 25 foot pilothouse by Boston Whaler. Just a Post-Classic dream. But one that may have a market...;-)
Sal A posted 10-07-2006 09:01 AM ET (US)
tombro,
Agreed! I would have paid more for an unsinkable pilothouse from Whaler than I did for my Parker 2520SL. And that's saying alot, as I love my Parker. While possessing foam, it is not up to Whaler unsinkability, and that is a feature I desire. I also think that any boat in this class (Steigercraft, Parker, and Maycraft just to name a few) would turtle EVEN if they were unsinkable, and this means I am even pickier about the weather I go out in, and am trying to shore up my seaman skills that much more.
I remember some MckeeCraft buzz about a 24' pilothouse, but don't know if it ever got off the ground outside of a few prototypes.
Sal A posted 10-07-2006 09:14 AM ET (US)
My Parker: http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l76/JerseyParker/
If Parker charges about $60k for such a rig, with windlass, bow rail, and pulpit, and no trailer, what do you guys think Whaler would charge for a competing, unsinkable rig?
rtk posted 10-07-2006 09:25 AM ET (US)
That would be a sweet boat. Throw a single inboard diesel engine option in and it would be my perfect boat. Fish all year round with that rig. Cram a couple small diesels for twins and now we're talking.
Heated cabin for those December and January trips.
Rich

tombro posted 10-07-2006 09:28 AM ET (US)
Sal, I am thinking around $85k, with twins, at least. And I think it would sell rather briskly. Design team? Buehler??
kingfish posted 10-07-2006 09:31 AM ET (US)
Sal-
Is your Parker DV or MV? Ours is an MV with 14° deadrise as I recall, but I think I remember the DV is 23°. And while the Parker is not up to Whaler standards for unsinkability (foamed "double hull"), it will do until the doctor gets here, with the careful and intentional foaming they do below the deck. That below deck foaming and the degree of catastrophe floatation it provides was one of the reasons we chose our Parker.
John
rtk posted 10-07-2006 09:37 AM ET (US)
Nice rig Sal, that Parker is one of my favorite boats.
The 255 Conquest has a base price of around $81,000. (insert emoticon face thingy that eyes bug out)
www.whaler.com/Rec/buildwhaler/step3.asp?action=new&boatid=14
Twins and a few options could put you at $100,000 real quick.
I guess a Whaler 25 pilothouse would have a similar pice tag.
I think for that money I would have to restore a 28 Bertram and fit it with a couple new diesels. That is my dream boat. Throw a couple life rafts on her and insure it well. She goes down she goes down.
Rich
Sal A posted 10-07-2006 09:39 AM ET (US)
Hey John,
Thanks for your emails when I was picking her out last year. The Parker 2520 sportcabins used to be MV (14 degrees) or DV (21 degrees). Now the configurations are SL and XL (16 degrees) and SLD and XLD (21 degrees). SL's are open transom and XL's are closed transoms with brackets. The SLD and XLD they are putting out today are really suited to twins, as the added transom weight balances the forward-heavy nature of the Parker sportcabins. But heck, 350hp singles are right around the corner.
kingfish posted 10-07-2006 10:08 AM ET (US)
Thanks Sal - I didn't realize Parker changed their nomenclature (and deadrise); the 14° does pound in a chop, but it is hugely stable and gets into remarkably skinny water.
Back to the subject at hand - those specs on a Whaler would be an interesting combination. It would be a big boat and would certainly need twins; possibly even a max of 600 HP...
John
Sal A posted 10-07-2006 10:50 AM ET (US)
Again thanks rtk and John.
The pounding is mitigated drastically by proper trim and trim tabs; I will be upgrading my tabs to a larger size in the winter.
Again back to the Whaler Cuttyhunk 250; I'd like to see a desert tan gelcoat to distinguish it from the existing gleaming-white hulls. I think a variable deadrise, where she is relatively flat in the stern, would make for a great Chesapeake-Cape Cod rig: I think an 18 degree deadrise at the transom. Flatter to me means more economical to run, more stable at rest and at drift, and with nice large Bennett tabs she will be classy looking, smooth, stable, economical, safe, and worthy of a classy Whaler name.
There may be many recreational boaters like myself, I venture to say, who love daytripping/cruising and some fishing, and yet are not hard core fishermen. We love the lines of downeast-style boats, and timeless hulls over modern tylenol hulls. One might say that a Sea Ray Amberjack would suit my needs wonderfully, but dang, I know which hulls I like to gaze at and which hulls I do not.
tombro posted 10-08-2006 06:48 AM ET (US)
Sal, agreed, desert tan would be 2 cool. I beg to differ on the deadrise issue, and would "settle" for 21 deg. Maybe 23 would be too tender on such a craft.
I guess I can hijack my own thread: It was brought to my attention by a CW member that all the larger Whalers have the same deadrise, which is about 21. I looked at Grady--theirs is 20, and Parker, which is 21. Steiger, too. Too get the really soft rides you have to go to the big cc's, like the Contenders, Regs, etc. There was one shining star in a cuddy config, and that was the soon to be released McKee 24 express, which advertised 23 deadrise. Seems that in the 25 and under class you can't get past the 21 degree mark. Maybe someone else knows more. My old Mako 258 from 1985 had 23.5 degrees, and was one sweet ride.

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Author	Topic: Whaler Cuttyhunk 250
tombro	posted 10-07-2006 08:05 AM ET (US) LOA 25'6" Beam 9'6" Fuel 200 gals Max HP 500 Last, but not least: Deadrise 23 degrees. These stats in a 25 foot pilothouse by Boston Whaler. Just a Post-Classic dream. But one that may have a market...;-)
Sal A	posted 10-07-2006 09:01 AM ET (US) tombro, Agreed! I would have paid more for an unsinkable pilothouse from Whaler than I did for my Parker 2520SL. And that's saying alot, as I love my Parker. While possessing foam, it is not up to Whaler unsinkability, and that is a feature I desire. I also think that any boat in this class (Steigercraft, Parker, and Maycraft just to name a few) would turtle EVEN if they were unsinkable, and this means I am even pickier about the weather I go out in, and am trying to shore up my seaman skills that much more. I remember some MckeeCraft buzz about a 24' pilothouse, but don't know if it ever got off the ground outside of a few prototypes.
Sal A	posted 10-07-2006 09:14 AM ET (US) My Parker: http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l76/JerseyParker/ If Parker charges about $60k for such a rig, with windlass, bow rail, and pulpit, and no trailer, what do you guys think Whaler would charge for a competing, unsinkable rig?
rtk	posted 10-07-2006 09:25 AM ET (US) That would be a sweet boat. Throw a single inboard diesel engine option in and it would be my perfect boat. Fish all year round with that rig. Cram a couple small diesels for twins and now we're talking. Heated cabin for those December and January trips. Rich
tombro	posted 10-07-2006 09:28 AM ET (US) Sal, I am thinking around $85k, with twins, at least. And I think it would sell rather briskly. Design team? Buehler??
kingfish	posted 10-07-2006 09:31 AM ET (US) Sal- Is your Parker DV or MV? Ours is an MV with 14° deadrise as I recall, but I think I remember the DV is 23°. And while the Parker is not up to Whaler standards for unsinkability (foamed "double hull"), it will do until the doctor gets here, with the careful and intentional foaming they do below the deck. That below deck foaming and the degree of catastrophe floatation it provides was one of the reasons we chose our Parker. John
rtk	posted 10-07-2006 09:37 AM ET (US) Nice rig Sal, that Parker is one of my favorite boats. The 255 Conquest has a base price of around $81,000. (insert emoticon face thingy that eyes bug out) www.whaler.com/Rec/buildwhaler/step3.asp?action=new&boatid=14 Twins and a few options could put you at $100,000 real quick. I guess a Whaler 25 pilothouse would have a similar pice tag. I think for that money I would have to restore a 28 Bertram and fit it with a couple new diesels. That is my dream boat. Throw a couple life rafts on her and insure it well. She goes down she goes down. Rich
Sal A	posted 10-07-2006 09:39 AM ET (US) Hey John, Thanks for your emails when I was picking her out last year. The Parker 2520 sportcabins used to be MV (14 degrees) or DV (21 degrees). Now the configurations are SL and XL (16 degrees) and SLD and XLD (21 degrees). SL's are open transom and XL's are closed transoms with brackets. The SLD and XLD they are putting out today are really suited to twins, as the added transom weight balances the forward-heavy nature of the Parker sportcabins. But heck, 350hp singles are right around the corner.
kingfish	posted 10-07-2006 10:08 AM ET (US) Thanks Sal - I didn't realize Parker changed their nomenclature (and deadrise); the 14° does pound in a chop, but it is hugely stable and gets into remarkably skinny water. Back to the subject at hand - those specs on a Whaler would be an interesting combination. It would be a big boat and would certainly need twins; possibly even a max of 600 HP... John
Sal A	posted 10-07-2006 10:50 AM ET (US) Again thanks rtk and John. The pounding is mitigated drastically by proper trim and trim tabs; I will be upgrading my tabs to a larger size in the winter. Again back to the Whaler Cuttyhunk 250; I'd like to see a desert tan gelcoat to distinguish it from the existing gleaming-white hulls. I think a variable deadrise, where she is relatively flat in the stern, would make for a great Chesapeake-Cape Cod rig: I think an 18 degree deadrise at the transom. Flatter to me means more economical to run, more stable at rest and at drift, and with nice large Bennett tabs she will be classy looking, smooth, stable, economical, safe, and worthy of a classy Whaler name. There may be many recreational boaters like myself, I venture to say, who love daytripping/cruising and some fishing, and yet are not hard core fishermen. We love the lines of downeast-style boats, and timeless hulls over modern tylenol hulls. One might say that a Sea Ray Amberjack would suit my needs wonderfully, but dang, I know which hulls I like to gaze at and which hulls I do not.
tombro	posted 10-08-2006 06:48 AM ET (US) Sal, agreed, desert tan would be 2 cool. I beg to differ on the deadrise issue, and would "settle" for 21 deg. Maybe 23 would be too tender on such a craft. I guess I can hijack my own thread: It was brought to my attention by a CW member that all the larger Whalers have the same deadrise, which is about 21. I looked at Grady--theirs is 20, and Parker, which is 21. Steiger, too. Too get the really soft rides you have to go to the big cc's, like the Contenders, Regs, etc. There was one shining star in a cuddy config, and that was the soon to be released McKee 24 express, which advertised 23 deadrise. Seems that in the 25 and under class you can't get past the 21 degree mark. Maybe someone else knows more. My old Mako 258 from 1985 had 23.5 degrees, and was one sweet ride.