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DANTE posted 01-02-2007 08:20 PM ET (US)
Is the 19 Montauk self bailing at rest?
podosky posted 01-02-2007 08:28 PM ET (US)
It does not list it as self bailing on the Whaler website.
Marsh posted 01-02-2007 09:53 PM ET (US)
At rest, my '04 Montauk will accumulate about 1/2 inch of water inside the hull, from splashwell forward to about rear of the console. Drains quckly upon reaching a plane.
Marsh
Marsh posted 01-02-2007 09:57 PM ET (US)
BTW, I have the 386 pound Merc 4 stroke, I typically carry up to 20 gallons of fuel under the seat, and have 3 batteries in the console. Different weights/configurations would perhaps affect the amount of water taken in at rest.
Marsh
Tom W Clark posted 01-02-2007 11:45 PM ET (US)
I suspect that DANTE is inquiring about the new 190 Montauk, not a 2004 Montauk 170.
DANTE posted 01-03-2007 09:44 AM ET (US)
Thanks to all who have responded so far. I am seriously considering the 2007 Montauk 19. I am aware that the Whaler brochure and web site do not say that this model is self bailing. All the other models that are self bailing are described that way. The salesman says that it is and also said that the factory rep said it is self bailing. Whatever Whaler I buy must be self bailing at rest because I will keep it in the water away from my residence and may not even see it for a month or two at a time.
scupman posted 01-03-2007 02:51 PM ET (US)
Yes it is self bailing at rest with no need to pull a plug or disable bilge pumps etc.....
bigjohn1 posted 01-03-2007 07:38 PM ET (US)
Perhaps I need to review what "self bailing" means in the context of this discussion. What is the difference between the bailing system on the 170 Montauk and the new 190 Montauk?
Perry posted 01-03-2007 08:13 PM ET (US)
I relate self-bailing to having scuppers at the transom. Do both 170 Montauk and 90 Montauk have scuppers?
bigjohn1 posted 01-03-2007 08:35 PM ET (US)
Perry, I share your thinking in this regard. I can for sure say the 170 does not have scuppers.
swist posted 01-03-2007 09:20 PM ET (US)
A self bailing boat has the cockpit sole higher than the water line, thus any water falling into the cockpit will drain by gravity through the scuppers. The Montauk 170's cockpit sole is below the waterline, so it is not self-bailing; however, many salespeople will tell you it's "effectively" self-bailing because if you pull the plug only a small amount of water comes in (because the boat is very bouyant amd rides high) - any more water that accumulates goes out the plug.
But it's still not self-bailing by commonly-understood marine terminology.
I have no idea what the story is with the 190, but I wouldn't base a purchasing decision on the concern voiced in the original topic post. My 170 spends the Summer on a mooring, and I don't pull the plug because I don't want saltwater in the cockpit, even an inch or two at the aft end. The bilge pump has no trouble emptying rainwater (and last Summer was really rainy). I wouldn't worry unless you intend to leave your boat unattended for weeks (at which point why moor it?).
Other 170 owners, mainly those with fresh water moorings, pull the plug and turn off the bilge pump. In either case the fact that it is technically not self-bailing is not that important.
And when the boat is underway it is also mostly immaterial since scuppers can't empty the cockpit of a big wave anyway, you have to drive it out.

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Author	Topic: 19 Montauk self bailing?
DANTE	posted 01-02-2007 08:20 PM ET (US) Is the 19 Montauk self bailing at rest?
podosky	posted 01-02-2007 08:28 PM ET (US) It does not list it as self bailing on the Whaler website.
Marsh	posted 01-02-2007 09:53 PM ET (US) At rest, my '04 Montauk will accumulate about 1/2 inch of water inside the hull, from splashwell forward to about rear of the console. Drains quckly upon reaching a plane. Marsh
Marsh	posted 01-02-2007 09:57 PM ET (US) BTW, I have the 386 pound Merc 4 stroke, I typically carry up to 20 gallons of fuel under the seat, and have 3 batteries in the console. Different weights/configurations would perhaps affect the amount of water taken in at rest. Marsh
Tom W Clark	posted 01-02-2007 11:45 PM ET (US) I suspect that DANTE is inquiring about the new 190 Montauk, not a 2004 Montauk 170.
DANTE	posted 01-03-2007 09:44 AM ET (US) Thanks to all who have responded so far. I am seriously considering the 2007 Montauk 19. I am aware that the Whaler brochure and web site do not say that this model is self bailing. All the other models that are self bailing are described that way. The salesman says that it is and also said that the factory rep said it is self bailing. Whatever Whaler I buy must be self bailing at rest because I will keep it in the water away from my residence and may not even see it for a month or two at a time.
scupman	posted 01-03-2007 02:51 PM ET (US) Yes it is self bailing at rest with no need to pull a plug or disable bilge pumps etc.....
bigjohn1	posted 01-03-2007 07:38 PM ET (US) Perhaps I need to review what "self bailing" means in the context of this discussion. What is the difference between the bailing system on the 170 Montauk and the new 190 Montauk?
Perry	posted 01-03-2007 08:13 PM ET (US) I relate self-bailing to having scuppers at the transom. Do both 170 Montauk and 90 Montauk have scuppers?
bigjohn1	posted 01-03-2007 08:35 PM ET (US) Perry, I share your thinking in this regard. I can for sure say the 170 does not have scuppers.
swist	posted 01-03-2007 09:20 PM ET (US) A self bailing boat has the cockpit sole higher than the water line, thus any water falling into the cockpit will drain by gravity through the scuppers. The Montauk 170's cockpit sole is below the waterline, so it is not self-bailing; however, many salespeople will tell you it's "effectively" self-bailing because if you pull the plug only a small amount of water comes in (because the boat is very bouyant amd rides high) - any more water that accumulates goes out the plug. But it's still not self-bailing by commonly-understood marine terminology. I have no idea what the story is with the 190, but I wouldn't base a purchasing decision on the concern voiced in the original topic post. My 170 spends the Summer on a mooring, and I don't pull the plug because I don't want saltwater in the cockpit, even an inch or two at the aft end. The bilge pump has no trouble emptying rainwater (and last Summer was really rainy). I wouldn't worry unless you intend to leave your boat unattended for weeks (at which point why moor it?). Other 170 owners, mainly those with fresh water moorings, pull the plug and turn off the bilge pump. In either case the fact that it is technically not self-bailing is not that important. And when the boat is underway it is also mostly immaterial since scuppers can't empty the cockpit of a big wave anyway, you have to drive it out.