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DANTE posted 01-02-2007 08:20 PM ET (US)   Profile for DANTE   Send Email to DANTE  
Is the 19 Montauk self bailing at rest?
podosky posted 01-02-2007 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for podosky  Send Email to podosky     
It does not list it as self bailing on the Whaler website.
Marsh posted 01-02-2007 09:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
At rest, my '04 Montauk will accumulate about 1/2 inch of water inside the hull, from splashwell forward to about rear of the console. Drains quckly upon reaching a plane.


Marsh posted 01-02-2007 09:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
BTW, I have the 386 pound Merc 4 stroke, I typically carry up to 20 gallons of fuel under the seat, and have 3 batteries in the console. Different weights/configurations would perhaps affect the amount of water taken in at rest.


Tom W Clark posted 01-02-2007 11:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I suspect that DANTE is inquiring about the new 190 Montauk, not a 2004 Montauk 170.
DANTE posted 01-03-2007 09:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for DANTE  Send Email to DANTE     
Thanks to all who have responded so far. I am seriously considering the 2007 Montauk 19. I am aware that the Whaler brochure and web site do not say that this model is self bailing. All the other models that are self bailing are described that way. The salesman says that it is and also said that the factory rep said it is self bailing. Whatever Whaler I buy must be self bailing at rest because I will keep it in the water away from my residence and may not even see it for a month or two at a time.
scupman posted 01-03-2007 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for scupman    
Yes it is self bailing at rest with no need to pull a plug or disable bilge pumps etc.....
bigjohn1 posted 01-03-2007 07:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Perhaps I need to review what "self bailing" means in the context of this discussion. What is the difference between the bailing system on the 170 Montauk and the new 190 Montauk?
Perry posted 01-03-2007 08:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
I relate self-bailing to having scuppers at the transom. Do both 170 Montauk and 90 Montauk have scuppers?
bigjohn1 posted 01-03-2007 08:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Perry, I share your thinking in this regard. I can for sure say the 170 does not have scuppers.
swist posted 01-03-2007 09:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
A self bailing boat has the cockpit sole higher than the water line, thus any water falling into the cockpit will drain by gravity through the scuppers. The Montauk 170's cockpit sole is below the waterline, so it is not self-bailing; however, many salespeople will tell you it's "effectively" self-bailing because if you pull the plug only a small amount of water comes in (because the boat is very bouyant amd rides high) - any more water that accumulates goes out the plug.

But it's still not self-bailing by commonly-understood marine terminology.

I have no idea what the story is with the 190, but I wouldn't base a purchasing decision on the concern voiced in the original topic post. My 170 spends the Summer on a mooring, and I don't pull the plug because I don't want saltwater in the cockpit, even an inch or two at the aft end. The bilge pump has no trouble emptying rainwater (and last Summer was really rainy). I wouldn't worry unless you intend to leave your boat unattended for weeks (at which point why moor it?).

Other 170 owners, mainly those with fresh water moorings, pull the plug and turn off the bilge pump. In either case the fact that it is technically not self-bailing is not that important.

And when the boat is underway it is also mostly immaterial since scuppers can't empty the cockpit of a big wave anyway, you have to drive it out.

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