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Livingwater posted 01-28-2007 03:02 PM ET (US)
I seen the new 2007 190 Outrage today at the Hartford, CT boat show. The 190 had the new style pedestal seats instead of the leaning post.
The seats have been totally redesigned which incorporate a flip up bolster.
I didn't like the original pedestal seats however the newer ones look great and I will be adding these to my 190 Nantucket for lake cruises. I'm still going to use my leaning post for the rough stuff.
Kencvit posted 01-28-2007 09:12 PM ET (US)
Livingwater, did you get a price?
Scott Grey posted 01-28-2007 09:54 PM ET (US)
keep us up to date on your purchase and price. I thought that they looked a lot better than the older ones. They would be good for scuba diving.
hilob posted 01-29-2007 12:49 AM ET (US)
Kencvit- I'm purchasing a 190 Outrage w/ the 150 Verado over here in Hawaii. It came from the factory with the standard leaning post, but I expressed to the dealer that I needed pedestal seats. We do a lot of night-time parked fishing, so at times we need seats that we can sit back and relax in.
Anyway to make a long story short, the dealer said he couldn't do a clean swap. He said the dealership didn't want to be stuck with an extra leaning post. Instead I had to purchase the additional pesdestal seats for $475 each. Being the only BW dealer in the state they are not that accomodating...Hope this helps...
highanddry posted 01-29-2007 03:02 AM ET (US)
hilob,if your interested we may could work out a deal on that pedistal. I hurt my back and sorta now prefer the pedistal. Let me know and best of luck either way with your rig.
H&D
Jordi posted 01-29-2007 08:21 AM ET (US)
Folks,
I too struggled with the optimal leaning/seating position for my 190 Nantucket. I am 6 feet tall and the leaning post although very comfortable sits rather high when sitting. After considering the pedestal seats for $1150, I decided to "improve" the current set up on the leaning post. After lowering the leaning post to it's lowest point, the leaning post can be lowered 2 additional inches by cutting the Garelick seat post 2 inches from the top. This allows me to sit comfortably while resting my feet on the console foot rest and I can adjust the steering wheel to accommodate my position. I installed the Birdsall 10 degree rod holders on the leaning post to accommodate the Birdsall backrest. I have gained the benefit of a small bench seat with a backrest and two additional rod holders built into the backrest. The total price was $410 with shipping and the quality of the Birdsall product is excellent.
Jordi

http://www.birdsallmarine.com/index.html
Perry posted 01-29-2007 11:36 AM ET (US)
hilob, who did you deal with at Windward Boats? I went straight to the owner when ordering my 190 Outrage and he was very accomodating. He even took the Mercury off and installed the motor of my choice (Honda).
When do you take delivery of the boat and do you have to come to Oahu to pick it up and put it on the barge?
Livingwater posted 01-29-2007 01:42 PM ET (US)
The pedestal seats are suppose to cost $450.00 for the pair. I should know in acouple of days for sure
Kencvit posted 01-29-2007 03:17 PM ET (US)
Jordi, I`ve looked at that site before, Did you get the folding backrest at 10 degrees with the rod holders added on , shown on the site for $290?
Do you have any pictures of yours in the leaning post?
How does the vinyl match? my boat is an 2004.
Livingwater, I think your going to find out that its 450 each and not for the pair....The dealer had offered me a set when I had bought my boat that a customer ordered but decided against. He said he would sell them at cost for 750 for the pair.That was the old style. I declined at that time.
Jordi posted 01-29-2007 06:09 PM ET (US)
Kencvit,
Yes, I ordered the $290 backrest w/rod holders. The vinyl matches very well. I ordered the "ribbed" vs. smooth to match the posterior segment of the seat. The owner (Bob Bidsall) is very helpful and will accommodate your request. I do not have a picture of the seat in the boat, although I have some pictures of the Grouper's I caught on the Gulf of Mexico!!
Jordi
Scott Grey posted 01-29-2007 10:48 PM ET (US)
Jordi,
When you cut your leaning post down is it still confortable to stand at? I'm 6' tall as well and I thought it was too far away from the console when sitting on top. Has anyone thought about adding sliders to the bottom so it can be slid forward or back. I do like the idea of shortening it a little.
hilob posted 01-30-2007 12:20 AM ET (US)
Perry- I'm dealing with Mark, he's been straight up so far and knowledgeable. I'm scheduled to go on a demo ride on the Feb. 10, then if everything goes well hand him a check.
Part of the deal is that they will drop the boat off at YB Honolulu. At the begining I was going to fight to get a Yamaha, but I'm curious how the Verado will perform. In the future, I'm planning to close up the back and put twins on some day. So far now "go til broke"...
hilob posted 01-30-2007 12:23 AM ET (US)
highandry- I intend to keep the pedestal seats, but may consider getting rid of the leaning post.
Kencvit posted 01-30-2007 02:56 AM ET (US)
Jordi, I`ll contact Birdsall , thanks for the ribbed idea.
Here is a pic of another that looks good . I saved the pic from a boattraderonline ad, don`t know the owner , the bakrest looks good and I like armrests but they look they should be at a lower angle.
Anyone know the fabrication shop that would have made this?
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/aheyst/leaningseat1.jpg
Kencvit posted 01-30-2007 03:36 AM ET (US)
here`s another picture
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/aheyst/leaningseat2.jpg .
Highandry, which do you have now? seats or leaning post?
The advantages to the leaning post( besides the sore back and standing helps,my condition anyway) are
1. Storage under the cushion through the access covers, although awkward to get too.
2. The grab rail that wraps around the back of the leaning post is great if someone is standing there underway. It`s the softest place to stand in choppy water.Also its a great spot to hang dry bags from.
3. there`s a tray on the back that hold fishing equipment, snacks , etc
4.Looks good....my opinion.
Hilob, I went with the Yamaha when I traded in my 135 opti , the verado would have been 3K more with controls etc...but your getting factory rigged so it`s a different comparison. Others on the board here have said how much they like the verado. I don`t know that twins would be possible. Aside from changing the transom I think the weight would be too much. The verado is at the limit now.
Twin 90 yamaha`s would add up to 740lbs or E-tecs, 660...if you want twins , get one of those pizza delivery boats( check general discussion thread) you`ll never be hungry and you`ll be able leave Perry and his Honda in your wake ;-)
highanddry posted 01-30-2007 03:43 AM ET (US)
hilob, it is the leaning post I am interested in. Glad to see you got some seats you like. If your interested in selling the Leaning Post let me know, we can possibly work something out. I have seats but my back condition is proving the seats less and less satisfactory. I could probably build a very nice leaning post, possibly better than factory but the TIME is a problem. I found a new leaning post but the dealer wants full MSRP for it. No pressure, just whatever is best for you.
Kencvit posted 01-30-2007 03:58 AM ET (US)
highanddry, check the birdsallmarine site , they have some leaning posts with a flip seat with storage underneath that would be good. Pricing`s gotta be better than Boston Whaler MSRP
Jordi posted 01-30-2007 08:19 AM ET (US)
Scott,
After I lowered the pedestal I felt that the seating position was fine. You raise a good point, if you want to have the leaning post move forward/back you can change the Garelick base.
Jordi
hilob posted 01-30-2007 11:02 PM ET (US)
kencvit- thanks for the input... I sure hope the Verado last a few years...Thinking out loud; some day I'd like to glass in the transom, and add an extention. One that would increase buoyancy in the the stern. Then maybe I could mount twin high thrust 60's Yamahas or twin 70s. Just a dreamer's thought...I don't need the speed, just the piece of mind...
hilob posted 01-30-2007 11:29 PM ET (US)
highanddry- Contact me at biisboy@aol.com for info on leaning post. Note, I live on the Big Island (Kona,Hawaii). Shipping might be an issue...
Kencvit posted 01-31-2007 03:06 AM ET (US)
Hilob, that twin idea would look sharp, like the old whaler drive brackets. But I`m sure the Verado will last you many years.
Livingwater posted 01-31-2007 01:01 PM ET (US)
Ouch...Looks like I was wrong about the pricing on the new style seats. The 2007 pricing is the same for either the leaning post or helm seats however they might still be refering to the older style seats.
I'm hooked on the flip up bolster helm seats however I might be looking into another brand if Whaler really wants 1250 for theirs.
Jordi posted 02-01-2007 08:48 PM ET (US)
highanddry,
Let me know if you are interested in a leaning post.
Jordi
highanddry posted 02-02-2007 04:25 AM ET (US)
Jordi--yes--I am interested in the BW leaning post for a nantucket/Outrage. I am afraid that the one from hilob will be out of my reach due to shipping from Hawaii. I am going to check shipping but it is pretty high for such an oversea distance. Yes, if you have a BW Nantucket/190 leaning post I would be interested.
Sorry to misdirect the thread.
Both the seats and the leaning posts are very nice, depends upon the body of water you frequent and conditions and specific use as to which is preferable. My boat does not have BW seats BTW which may have some bearing upon why I don't like them very much.
Jordi posted 02-02-2007 08:32 AM ET (US)
I am only interested in BW seats.
Jordi posted 02-02-2007 08:32 AM ET (US)
I am only interested in BW seats.
highanddry posted 02-02-2007 01:02 PM ET (US)
Jordi, it was not an offer to trade, it was an offer to purchase, lol.
BW is a little to proud of their vinyl, one will show up on ebay sooner or later.
Livingwater posted 02-02-2007 02:45 PM ET (US)
Has anyone else seen the new style seats from Boston Whaler?
The flip up bolster was done really well!
Scott Grey posted 02-06-2007 09:30 PM ET (US)
Kencvit,
Have you seen the newer leanning post for the 190 outrage? I have seen in the past where the cusin leanned forward and there were two covers that unscrewed for access. The newer one like mine, the cusion has two latches at the bottom front that release and flips up to expose a storage area of about approx. 10" deep x 8" tall and 3' long instead of two small bins. Also Boston Whaler has added a storage latch system for the rear removable transom seat panel on the front side of the livewell/storage area which is quite nice.
Perry posted 02-06-2007 10:37 PM ET (US)

quote:
The newer one like mine, the cusion has two latches at the bottom front that release and flips up to expose a storage area of about approx. 10" deep x 8" tall and 3' long
Scott, my 2005 Model 190 Nantucket has the same leaning post storage as you describe above.
Scott Grey posted 02-07-2007 05:15 PM ET (US)
Perry,
I'm not sure what year they changed to what "we" have but i saw my first nantucket in early 2003 and it had two seperate "bins" under the leanning post and the cusion snapped down in the top,back of the leanning post. The dealer had three in stock all the same. I may even had some photos of this. Anyone out there have this type to back me up?
Jordi posted 02-08-2007 07:38 AM ET (US)
Scott,
The leaning post you describe was only used in the 03 Nantucket. The 04/05 had the redesigned leaning post with the lower clips and single storage bin currenly used in the 190 Outrage.
Jordi
Scott Grey posted 02-08-2007 09:23 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the information. I would like to know if anyone has trouble with keeping the inside dry (doesn't seen to be a problem most of the time but in heavy rain or a washing it gets wet inside). Currently i use it for rope storage and have a pelican dry box for spare keys and ins. and registration (which i remove when i'm not on the boat).
Has anyone tried weatherstripping or simular methods?
Livingwater posted 02-08-2007 01:22 PM ET (US)
I never knew that my 2004 190 Nantucket had an additional storage compartment located under the leaning post cushion. I going to check this out tonight. :O)

How I spell stress relief: [b]W.H.A.L.E.R
Perry posted 02-08-2007 04:43 PM ET (US)
Scott, my storage area under the seat cushion stays completely dry no matter how hard it rains or how much I spray it with a hose.
Jordi posted 02-08-2007 05:47 PM ET (US)
The storage bin under the leaning post stays dry for me, I too have some water in the Aft seat storage bin located under the seat cushion above the oil reserve. I keep a small brush, Comet for deck, Zip wax wash and spray wax for cleaning in the wet storage bin. I also keep a soft and hard deck brush on the rod holders for the inevitable "post-fishing routine".
Jordi
Livingwater posted 02-09-2007 07:58 PM ET (US)
No storage under my cushion in my leaning post. Anyone have pictures of theirs?

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Author	Topic: Outrage/Nantucket 190 Pedestal seats
Livingwater	posted 01-28-2007 03:02 PM ET (US) I seen the new 2007 190 Outrage today at the Hartford, CT boat show. The 190 had the new style pedestal seats instead of the leaning post. The seats have been totally redesigned which incorporate a flip up bolster. I didn't like the original pedestal seats however the newer ones look great and I will be adding these to my 190 Nantucket for lake cruises. I'm still going to use my leaning post for the rough stuff.
Kencvit	posted 01-28-2007 09:12 PM ET (US) Livingwater, did you get a price?
Scott Grey	posted 01-28-2007 09:54 PM ET (US) keep us up to date on your purchase and price. I thought that they looked a lot better than the older ones. They would be good for scuba diving.
hilob	posted 01-29-2007 12:49 AM ET (US) Kencvit- I'm purchasing a 190 Outrage w/ the 150 Verado over here in Hawaii. It came from the factory with the standard leaning post, but I expressed to the dealer that I needed pedestal seats. We do a lot of night-time parked fishing, so at times we need seats that we can sit back and relax in. Anyway to make a long story short, the dealer said he couldn't do a clean swap. He said the dealership didn't want to be stuck with an extra leaning post. Instead I had to purchase the additional pesdestal seats for $475 each. Being the only BW dealer in the state they are not that accomodating...Hope this helps...
highanddry	posted 01-29-2007 03:02 AM ET (US) hilob,if your interested we may could work out a deal on that pedistal. I hurt my back and sorta now prefer the pedistal. Let me know and best of luck either way with your rig. H&D
Jordi	posted 01-29-2007 08:21 AM ET (US) Folks, I too struggled with the optimal leaning/seating position for my 190 Nantucket. I am 6 feet tall and the leaning post although very comfortable sits rather high when sitting. After considering the pedestal seats for $1150, I decided to "improve" the current set up on the leaning post. After lowering the leaning post to it's lowest point, the leaning post can be lowered 2 additional inches by cutting the Garelick seat post 2 inches from the top. This allows me to sit comfortably while resting my feet on the console foot rest and I can adjust the steering wheel to accommodate my position. I installed the Birdsall 10 degree rod holders on the leaning post to accommodate the Birdsall backrest. I have gained the benefit of a small bench seat with a backrest and two additional rod holders built into the backrest. The total price was $410 with shipping and the quality of the Birdsall product is excellent. Jordi http://www.birdsallmarine.com/index.html
Perry	posted 01-29-2007 11:36 AM ET (US) hilob, who did you deal with at Windward Boats? I went straight to the owner when ordering my 190 Outrage and he was very accomodating. He even took the Mercury off and installed the motor of my choice (Honda). When do you take delivery of the boat and do you have to come to Oahu to pick it up and put it on the barge?
Livingwater	posted 01-29-2007 01:42 PM ET (US) The pedestal seats are suppose to cost $450.00 for the pair. I should know in acouple of days for sure
Kencvit	posted 01-29-2007 03:17 PM ET (US) Jordi, I`ve looked at that site before, Did you get the folding backrest at 10 degrees with the rod holders added on , shown on the site for $290? Do you have any pictures of yours in the leaning post? How does the vinyl match? my boat is an 2004. Livingwater, I think your going to find out that its 450 each and not for the pair....The dealer had offered me a set when I had bought my boat that a customer ordered but decided against. He said he would sell them at cost for 750 for the pair.That was the old style. I declined at that time.
Jordi	posted 01-29-2007 06:09 PM ET (US) Kencvit, Yes, I ordered the $290 backrest w/rod holders. The vinyl matches very well. I ordered the "ribbed" vs. smooth to match the posterior segment of the seat. The owner (Bob Bidsall) is very helpful and will accommodate your request. I do not have a picture of the seat in the boat, although I have some pictures of the Grouper's I caught on the Gulf of Mexico!! Jordi
Scott Grey	posted 01-29-2007 10:48 PM ET (US) Jordi, When you cut your leaning post down is it still confortable to stand at? I'm 6' tall as well and I thought it was too far away from the console when sitting on top. Has anyone thought about adding sliders to the bottom so it can be slid forward or back. I do like the idea of shortening it a little.
hilob	posted 01-30-2007 12:20 AM ET (US) Perry- I'm dealing with Mark, he's been straight up so far and knowledgeable. I'm scheduled to go on a demo ride on the Feb. 10, then if everything goes well hand him a check. Part of the deal is that they will drop the boat off at YB Honolulu. At the begining I was going to fight to get a Yamaha, but I'm curious how the Verado will perform. In the future, I'm planning to close up the back and put twins on some day. So far now "go til broke"...
hilob	posted 01-30-2007 12:23 AM ET (US) highandry- I intend to keep the pedestal seats, but may consider getting rid of the leaning post.
Kencvit	posted 01-30-2007 02:56 AM ET (US) Jordi, I`ll contact Birdsall , thanks for the ribbed idea. Here is a pic of another that looks good . I saved the pic from a boattraderonline ad, don`t know the owner , the bakrest looks good and I like armrests but they look they should be at a lower angle. Anyone know the fabrication shop that would have made this? http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/aheyst/leaningseat1.jpg
Kencvit	posted 01-30-2007 03:36 AM ET (US) here`s another picture http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u127/aheyst/leaningseat2.jpg . Highandry, which do you have now? seats or leaning post? The advantages to the leaning post( besides the sore back and standing helps,my condition anyway) are 1. Storage under the cushion through the access covers, although awkward to get too. 2. The grab rail that wraps around the back of the leaning post is great if someone is standing there underway. It`s the softest place to stand in choppy water.Also its a great spot to hang dry bags from. 3. there`s a tray on the back that hold fishing equipment, snacks , etc 4.Looks good....my opinion. Hilob, I went with the Yamaha when I traded in my 135 opti , the verado would have been 3K more with controls etc...but your getting factory rigged so it`s a different comparison. Others on the board here have said how much they like the verado. I don`t know that twins would be possible. Aside from changing the transom I think the weight would be too much. The verado is at the limit now. Twin 90 yamaha`s would add up to 740lbs or E-tecs, 660...if you want twins , get one of those pizza delivery boats( check general discussion thread) you`ll never be hungry and you`ll be able leave Perry and his Honda in your wake ;-)
highanddry	posted 01-30-2007 03:43 AM ET (US) hilob, it is the leaning post I am interested in. Glad to see you got some seats you like. If your interested in selling the Leaning Post let me know, we can possibly work something out. I have seats but my back condition is proving the seats less and less satisfactory. I could probably build a very nice leaning post, possibly better than factory but the TIME is a problem. I found a new leaning post but the dealer wants full MSRP for it. No pressure, just whatever is best for you.
Kencvit	posted 01-30-2007 03:58 AM ET (US) highanddry, check the birdsallmarine site , they have some leaning posts with a flip seat with storage underneath that would be good. Pricing`s gotta be better than Boston Whaler MSRP
Jordi	posted 01-30-2007 08:19 AM ET (US) Scott, After I lowered the pedestal I felt that the seating position was fine. You raise a good point, if you want to have the leaning post move forward/back you can change the Garelick base. Jordi
hilob	posted 01-30-2007 11:02 PM ET (US) kencvit- thanks for the input... I sure hope the Verado last a few years...Thinking out loud; some day I'd like to glass in the transom, and add an extention. One that would increase buoyancy in the the stern. Then maybe I could mount twin high thrust 60's Yamahas or twin 70s. Just a dreamer's thought...I don't need the speed, just the piece of mind...
hilob	posted 01-30-2007 11:29 PM ET (US) highanddry- Contact me at biisboy@aol.com for info on leaning post. Note, I live on the Big Island (Kona,Hawaii). Shipping might be an issue...
Kencvit	posted 01-31-2007 03:06 AM ET (US) Hilob, that twin idea would look sharp, like the old whaler drive brackets. But I`m sure the Verado will last you many years.
Livingwater	posted 01-31-2007 01:01 PM ET (US) Ouch...Looks like I was wrong about the pricing on the new style seats. The 2007 pricing is the same for either the leaning post or helm seats however they might still be refering to the older style seats. I'm hooked on the flip up bolster helm seats however I might be looking into another brand if Whaler really wants 1250 for theirs.
Jordi	posted 02-01-2007 08:48 PM ET (US) highanddry, Let me know if you are interested in a leaning post. Jordi
highanddry	posted 02-02-2007 04:25 AM ET (US) Jordi--yes--I am interested in the BW leaning post for a nantucket/Outrage. I am afraid that the one from hilob will be out of my reach due to shipping from Hawaii. I am going to check shipping but it is pretty high for such an oversea distance. Yes, if you have a BW Nantucket/190 leaning post I would be interested. Sorry to misdirect the thread. Both the seats and the leaning posts are very nice, depends upon the body of water you frequent and conditions and specific use as to which is preferable. My boat does not have BW seats BTW which may have some bearing upon why I don't like them very much.
Jordi	posted 02-02-2007 08:32 AM ET (US) I am only interested in BW seats.
Jordi	posted 02-02-2007 08:32 AM ET (US) I am only interested in BW seats.
highanddry	posted 02-02-2007 01:02 PM ET (US) Jordi, it was not an offer to trade, it was an offer to purchase, lol. BW is a little to proud of their vinyl, one will show up on ebay sooner or later.
Livingwater	posted 02-02-2007 02:45 PM ET (US) Has anyone else seen the new style seats from Boston Whaler? The flip up bolster was done really well!
Scott Grey	posted 02-06-2007 09:30 PM ET (US) Kencvit, Have you seen the newer leanning post for the 190 outrage? I have seen in the past where the cusin leanned forward and there were two covers that unscrewed for access. The newer one like mine, the cusion has two latches at the bottom front that release and flips up to expose a storage area of about approx. 10" deep x 8" tall and 3' long instead of two small bins. Also Boston Whaler has added a storage latch system for the rear removable transom seat panel on the front side of the livewell/storage area which is quite nice.
Perry	posted 02-06-2007 10:37 PM ET (US) quote: The newer one like mine, the cusion has two latches at the bottom front that release and flips up to expose a storage area of about approx. 10" deep x 8" tall and 3' long Scott, my 2005 Model 190 Nantucket has the same leaning post storage as you describe above.
Scott Grey	posted 02-07-2007 05:15 PM ET (US) Perry, I'm not sure what year they changed to what "we" have but i saw my first nantucket in early 2003 and it had two seperate "bins" under the leanning post and the cusion snapped down in the top,back of the leanning post. The dealer had three in stock all the same. I may even had some photos of this. Anyone out there have this type to back me up?
Jordi	posted 02-08-2007 07:38 AM ET (US) Scott, The leaning post you describe was only used in the 03 Nantucket. The 04/05 had the redesigned leaning post with the lower clips and single storage bin currenly used in the 190 Outrage. Jordi
Scott Grey	posted 02-08-2007 09:23 AM ET (US) Thanks for the information. I would like to know if anyone has trouble with keeping the inside dry (doesn't seen to be a problem most of the time but in heavy rain or a washing it gets wet inside). Currently i use it for rope storage and have a pelican dry box for spare keys and ins. and registration (which i remove when i'm not on the boat). Has anyone tried weatherstripping or simular methods?
Livingwater	posted 02-08-2007 01:22 PM ET (US) I never knew that my 2004 190 Nantucket had an additional storage compartment located under the leaning post cushion. I going to check this out tonight. :O) How I spell stress relief: [b]W.H.A.L.E.R
Perry	posted 02-08-2007 04:43 PM ET (US) Scott, my storage area under the seat cushion stays completely dry no matter how hard it rains or how much I spray it with a hose.
Jordi	posted 02-08-2007 05:47 PM ET (US) The storage bin under the leaning post stays dry for me, I too have some water in the Aft seat storage bin located under the seat cushion above the oil reserve. I keep a small brush, Comet for deck, Zip wax wash and spray wax for cleaning in the wet storage bin. I also keep a soft and hard deck brush on the rod holders for the inevitable "post-fishing routine". Jordi
Livingwater	posted 02-09-2007 07:58 PM ET (US) No storage under my cushion in my leaning post. Anyone have pictures of theirs?