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| Author | Topic: 190 Outrage/150 Verado |
| JoeyP |
posted 08-07-2007 11:38 AM ET (US)  
I'm thinking of trading my 05 Montauk 170 for a 2007 190 Outrage/150 Verado. Yes, I know its two different animals. Does anyone currently own a 190 Outrage (2005-2008 models)? The price for this is $38K. |
| highanddry |
posted 08-07-2007 01:51 PM ET (US)
There are several Outrage/Nantucket 190 owners here and a few have the Verdao, one guy has a Honda BF135, several have 115 Mercurys, most have the Opti 150 and Opti 135. What is your question? |
| Sal A |
posted 08-07-2007 02:22 PM ET (US)
I am one week from entering back into the 190 Nantucket/Outrage questions, as I am buying my very same old boat back. That's how much I loved this boat. I am buying my former boat back. Mine had/will have a Yamaha F150. |
| Sal A |
posted 08-07-2007 02:27 PM ET (US)
Hit submit too soon in error. My 190 Nantucket was a pocket rocket. No pounding. the Yamaha F150 was great power on the back. I suspect the Verado will be similarly pleasant. My boat kissed 50mph in calm water with no wind etc... The hull tracks great. I like the leaning post a lot, and personally prefer it to the two chairs. The hull also has nice freeboard. Again looking forward to your questions. |
| tripletail |
posted 08-07-2007 04:21 PM ET (US)
I have that exact boat, I really like it so far. I have the leaning post too, I only have a little over 100 hours on it but no problems so far. The performance of the verado 150 has been great, no smoke, better gas mileage than my previous 16SL whaler with a 90 two stroke. This boat was at the top of my list, for my 3500lb boat lift. I went for my 1# choice and have not been let down. |
| JoeyP |
posted 08-07-2007 06:24 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the response so far. My questions are as follows: How is the ride? Are trim tabs a must? Leaning post vs. the Capt.chairs? Lastly, reliability of the Verado? (I remember when the optimax first hit the water) Does 38K sound about right for the price. That's with the fish package, trailer, Verado 150 and a bow cushion. The speed and hole shot seem to be adequate according to what I have read so far. |
| Yiddil |
posted 08-07-2007 07:26 PM ET (US)
Now thats a statement of committment to the Nantucket/Outrage 19 WOW SAL!!! Thats fantastic! Life is not always greener on the other side of the hill:) But the same boat back WOW! Howd you manage that! What a testement to this most fantastic Boat..The Nantucket/Outrage with any engine is a must try if you want to feel what this boat can do...with a verado, I think you will find it moving 45mph and feel like a rocket! I hear the Honda's and verados, 150 Yamaha' s also make her perform splendidly... Its a no brainer, ther nantucket/outrage 19 is heads and sholders above a mountauk 17, the price is all about what you thin k its worth and what your willing to pay.......depending on whats included on her , new she can run like 48Grand !! Good luck! Sal, you blew me away!!! |
| Sal A |
posted 08-07-2007 07:46 PM ET (US)
Henry it's all good. I think the price is fine within $1,000 or so. You are benefitting from a sluggish economy. Buy it and don't look back. |
| Sal A |
posted 08-07-2007 07:48 PM ET (US)
I am one of those guys that think most any boat will benefit from tabs. My boat didn't have them and it ran fine; I don't think I will install them. In any boat drilling into the tansom has to be done with care. This is especially true for Whalers in my opinion. Do not necessarily trust the professionals; check the seal, and be on top of it always. |
| Jordi |
posted 08-07-2007 08:42 PM ET (US)
JoeyP, The trims tabs make a considerable difference on the 190/210 Outrage. If your boating is in relatively calm waters the tabs are not needed. If you like to push the limits of the hull and like to boat regularly in choppy conditions the tabs are a must. I would not own a 210 without the tabs, they are critical to the smooth ride of the hull. Jordi |
| porchmonkeycontrol |
posted 08-07-2007 09:01 PM ET (US)
I think the 38k is right in line with price. that's the same number,same boat at dealer here in savannah,(except with bimini top) can be bought for right now. personally I'm waiting to see pricing on the '08. I would want the 50th anniversary logos,owner's manuals,key emblems,etc. for I feel a proffesionally maintained and garage kept '08 model will fetch way above average $$$$$ 10-15 years from now and become very desirable whalers for serious whaler fans. seriously considerating a new whaler purchase this close away from the '08s coming available is something that requires thought and how important that would be to you, and how aggressive the dealer will get to get rid of the '07. but first I need to want the boat. their are things I dislike,the main thing is anchoring.I hate a bow rail,throwing and retrieving anchor a real pain in the a$$ and I due a huge amount of anchoring at the beach .all my previous center consoles had no bow rails (which is my preference)and their is no delete bow rail option for the outrage,but is for the montauk and dauntless,???????? will some of you whaler experts please explain that....NO,I do not want to take it off myself and have holes professionaly filled! the reason I prefer more of a semi-custom factory direct boat. but I never had a whaler,never until now really cared for whalers,(the love or hate feelings for whalers in general) and love the 190 outrage. I will definitly need to ride in one for me to get over the bow rail compromise, and form opinion then. |
| Yiddil |
posted 08-07-2007 10:41 PM ET (US)
That 38 Grand will be the best 38 grand you ever spend...!!! When I said 48 Grand, that would include forward shelter, Bimini Top, canvas cover for leaning post, Center Console, Forward lounge addition, electronics includinga good GPS/Sounder (one of the new garmins) a DSC radio, antenna's, safety gear, and anything else for wa well outfitted Nantucket/Outrage Without all the extras, 38 is a great price and you can fill in the rest at your leasure..I dont have tabs and mine runs fine too Sal:) The less I drill into the transome the better:) have at it and enjoy |
| hilob |
posted 08-08-2007 01:34 AM ET (US)
JoeyP, I purchased a 2007 190 Outrage w/ the 150 Verado here in Hawaii back in Feb 2007. I was a bit septical first about the new Verado motor, but since March I've put 255 hours on the motor. To date the boat and motor has worked flawlessly. I did mount a pair of Lenco trim tabs, in my opinion they are a must. Before running the boat here are a few things I did to make the the rig fishable here in Hawaii: The boat runs nice...We usually have two people on board, about 300 lbs of ice, (4) 130 shimano reels, and (2) 6 foot fish bags. My boat WOT with full fuel and tackle will run about 37 mph. Here in Hawaii 20 kts is perfect cruising speed. Fuel is too $$$ to burn foolishly. Good luck with your next purchase. hilob |
| porchmonkeycontrol |
posted 08-11-2007 11:36 AM ET (US)
does the boat have any tendency to porpoise at all with no use of tabs? |
| highanddry |
posted 08-11-2007 06:04 PM ET (US)
Yes, the Outrage 190 will need tabs to prevent porposing in all conditions. It is sensitive to aft loading and sometimes the aerodynamic effects of the bimini can aggravate porposing on my boat. I think tabs are the ultimate solution. The intermediate solution for me was a Rev 4 prop, that stopped the porposing cold in it's tracks. It also planes quicker with less bow rise and can maintain a LOWER planning speed. I suspect that tabs plus the Rev 4 would be an awesome combination. I might have prefrred the four blade Vensura for my Opti 150 over the Revolution 4. My boat does not porpose anymore: Revolution 4 prop Next I will add tabs becaue they will help with low speed planning, side to side trim and bow down trim into chop. One thing, the Verado seems to have more down trim on the engine, the Opti seems down trim limited and I cannot get the bow down as far as I think I should, this also was improved greatly with the Rev 4. I cannot imagine that the Outrage 190 with a Verado would not want tabs. |
| Jordi |
posted 08-12-2007 07:59 AM ET (US)
highanddry, The Rev 4 plus tabs is indeed an excellent combination for the Outrage 190/210, add a Verado and you have the best of all worlds. Jordi |
| JoeyP |
posted 08-13-2007 09:58 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all the replies. Helpful information by all, particularly on the trim tab issue. I met with the dealer again trying to negotiate a deal. At this point, he will not budge off the 38K he wants for the 190 Outrage. He wants to give me 18K even for my 05 Montauk. I think that's a bit low since the Montauk has all the options. I may wait him out a couple weeks and give it another shot. The dealer lot is loaded with 07 inventory and he just started getting 08 inventory including 190 Montauks powered with 135 Verados and paired with trailers....that price 40K. What to do? |
| Livingwater |
posted 08-13-2007 01:16 PM ET (US)
JoeyP: Get the leaning post. Other then smooth water your most likely going to be standing up. I have the leaning post which I added a back rest. The back rest is angled slightly backwards which makes sitting on the leaning post extremely comfortable. I like to sit when I'm tooling around in the no wake zones or sight seeing at 7 MPH. Also, the 150 Optimax is very good on fuel. I cruised 32 miles last weekend on Long Island sound in 2 foot chop and only used 3-1/2 gallons of gas. I don't have trim tabs however I feel the boat is light in the bow and would benefit from trim tabs to help running up on plane at a lower RPM and also help with weight distribution. |
| Yiddil |
posted 08-13-2007 08:11 PM ET (US)
Livingwater, giive me the exact stuff I need for the back rest....whats the angle? model, number? etc... for my leaning post so I can order a back rest...You are saving my back man! :) Hurry:) I too think not on the trim tabs...less drilling the better for my transom...if your bow is light , add a gorgeous lady to her bow:) Also easy on the eyes while keeping the bow down:) hehe By the Outrage, you will be glad you did:) |
| RonB |
posted 08-15-2007 10:43 AM ET (US)
I would also like to know about the aftermarket backrest as I am once again back into a BW, being a proud new owner of a 2007 19 Outrage with 135 Verado. After selling my 2000 18 Outrage last year, I missed it too much. I did not have the option to buy it back (it went from the East coast to the West coast), so I decided to buy the current version of the Nantucket, the boat model that I spent a lot of time fishing on a few years back ("TG_190's" 2003 Nantucket for those of you who remember the posts by TG_190). He currently has a bigger Cape Horn. We used to publicly compare our two boats, they both had certain advantages, but I always admired the Nantucket. So here I am, one month into the new boat. Love it, but had Lenco's put on before taking delivery. They do make a world of difference. I'd also like to know more about this Rev 4 prop, as the standard 17" SS Mirage seems to slip/cavitate more than my 19" Vengeance that I had on my 135 Opti on my previous 18 Outrage. Glad to be back. Ron |
| Livingwater |
posted 08-15-2007 02:11 PM ET (US)
I purchased my seat back from the following company. www.arrigonidesign.com If your interested tell them you would like one built with the same angle as the one you sold to Ron Tautic from Suffield |
| highanddry |
posted 08-15-2007 02:13 PM ET (US)
I think they are setting the engines to high on the Nantucket/Outrage 190. I have blowout also. I may drop the engine one hole. The Rev 4 in a 17 may be to much prop for a 135, it is right about borderline with the 150 Opti which is a very muscular engine. There will be less tendency to blow out with the Rev 4. You might look at the Vensura. The problem with using women for bow ballast is that in rough water, they get wet and get bounced all over the place, some people here use thir boats in mild conditions only. If you actually use it as intended then you need tabs. I want tabs, saving pennys for tabs. |
| Perry |
posted 08-15-2007 04:15 PM ET (US)
I thought about trim tabs but decided I don't need them on my 190 Nantucket. I have a good 4 blade prop that bits the water great and my motor allows lots of negative trim. With this and a sandbag in the anchor locker (along with 20' of chain on my anchor}, the bow stays down in rough water. Proper weight distribution and a 4 blade prop helped a lot. Trim tabs would be a good addition but I don't really need them. |
| Yiddil |
posted 08-15-2007 07:16 PM ET (US)
Heck Ill just double up on the women for the bow:) to heck with trim tabs:))hehe......... |
| Jordi |
posted 08-16-2007 08:26 AM ET (US)
Those of you not "needing" the Tab's have not ridden on the boat with the Tab's in rough water. If you can try to go on an Outrage 190/210 with the tab's and make an informed decision. In rough/moderate conditions the Outrage hull without the Tab's is performing at 75% of its capacity. If you are very demanding in a smooth ride "most" of the time you are out the tab's are a must. Having owned the 190/210 with and without the Tab's, this is one option I would not skimp on. Bennet tab's have a solid reputation for reliability and durability. Yiddil, don’t limit the ladies to the bow; surround yourself with them in the console once you get a smooth ride in “rough” conditions. |
| Perry |
posted 08-16-2007 12:31 PM ET (US)
The 190 Outrage and 210 Outrage are two entirely different boats. Why are you including the 210 Outrage in this discussion about trim tabs? A buddy of mine has trim tabs on his 2007 190 Outrage. And I have been out on it in rough water. His boat has the heavy Verado on it and it handles different than mine with more weight in the stern and the Mirage 3 blade prop. His boat benefits from the trim tabs but his boat doesn't necessarily NEED them either. |
| Jordi |
posted 08-16-2007 01:19 PM ET (US)
Perry, I was including the 210 Outrage because I have observed the benefits of the tabs in the Verado equipped boats. My observations are from owning the 210 Outrage with the 4 Rav propeller and Verado 200. I have been in 210 Outrage's with the 175 Opti with no tabs and the ride quality in "rough" conditions was less that favorable. These are very subjective observations taking into consideration that I navigate with small children and my tolerance for rough rides is almost zero. My previous 190 Outrage with 135 Opti was very sloppy in rough seas (no tabs) in comparison to my friends 190 with the 150 Verado and tabs. Tabs can be debated forever; they have been in previous threads. NEED is in the comfort level of the captain, perhaps if I did not need to provide smooth rides for my kids I too would not NEED the tabs. |
| highanddry |
posted 08-16-2007 02:33 PM ET (US)
The guys who think putting a lady on the bow is the solution have never been in rough water or they would undertsand why they need tabs. I know I need tabs, my wife knows she needs tabs because she is not going to sit on the bow and get here eyeballs bounced out as I sit comfortably behind the console--don't be rediculous. |
| RonB |
posted 08-17-2007 10:45 AM ET (US)
"I think they are setting the engines to high on the Nantucket/Outrage 190." I just noticed that the documentation that came with my Outrage 190 shows the engine installation of the Verado being one hole higher than the Optimax, not sure why. Weight? Just seems that I can't really punch the throttle like I could on my previous Whalers without the prop breaking free. In fairness, I am new to the boat and the new throttle of the Verado which is extremely sensative. If I wind her up real slow and deliberate to bring her on plane, all is good. I also notice that the overboard bilge drain is actually underwater with the Verado tilted up out of the water and a full tank of gas. With an upward bend in the bilge hose which is higher than the exit drain, I don't think it's a problem. Ron |
| Scott Grey |
posted 08-17-2007 02:00 PM ET (US)
I have a 190 outrage with a 150 verado and love it! As far as needing tabs, not sure if it needs them but would be nice for any extra weight in the rear. I just got back from the florida keys and used the boat every day for diving. We had three BC's with 80cft tanks, weights and three extra tanks in the rear section and didn't have any trouble. It still is the perfect boat for me and my family! |
| highanddry |
posted 08-17-2007 03:48 PM ET (US)
I think the engines are to high, it should not break out on acceleration. Mine does from time to time especially when trying to get on the back of a wave. Yeah, doesn't the nantucket 190 make a great dive boat. Loaded with gear and people it still performs and relatively stable at rest. We carry our gear forward, tanks go on the side in Roll Control brackets leaving the rear clear for gearing up. |
| highanddry |
posted 08-17-2007 03:52 PM ET (US)
You can barely see from this pic how our 190 sits with the Opti 150 tilted out, the livewell is full and that large ice chest in the rear is loaded. <a href="http://photobucket.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/JRWJR/DSCF0342.jpg" border="0" alt="Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket"></a> [IMG]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b395/JRWJR/DSCF0304.jpg[/IMG] |
| Moe |
posted 08-17-2007 09:17 PM ET (US)
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| Riverwhaler |
posted 08-18-2007 08:13 AM ET (US)
Aside from the Honda 150 the Lenco tabs are the best thing I have done for my 190. JimH has done a whole article here on this subject and has some of my installation photos. If you have a swim ladder platform you want to use the edge mounted style. The tabs make a tremendous difference in how the boat feels, sorry Perry, especially in the ocean. It is a easy install took about half a day, just use lots of 3M 5200. |
| Yiddil |
posted 08-19-2007 08:25 PM ET (US)
High...I love the way you make these blanket statements! LOL "The guys who think putting a lady on the bow is the solution have never been in rough water or they would undertsand why they need tabs. I know I need tabs, my wife knows she needs tabs because she is not going to sit on the bow and get here eyeballs bounced out as I sit comfortably behind the console--don't be rediculous. " I think the word NEED is as far as anyone is concerned is subjective...If you NEED it, BUY IT AND INSTALL IT! LOL I NEED a nice lady on my Bow all the times:) and besides, My lady loves sitting in the bow, with her eyes bouncing out of her head! LOL Again, need is all in "What you want", not nessessarily what you need...I seen 50 percent say yeah and 50 percent say no to trim tabs. STill the perfect baot for me:) Gotta say..The Nantucket NEEDS bow dodger, sun lounge added, 188C Garmin, XM, connecting canvas, a a gorgeous lady in the bow to be perfect for me:) Thank goodness I got what I NEEDED!! |
| highanddry |
posted 08-19-2007 11:25 PM ET (US)
Hey, I included a pic of my wife on the bow Yiddal just for you with the flag of the Great State of Louisiana. You might notice she looks a bit wet, yep, it is wet up there on the bow. Need is relative, if your serious about going offhsore in a Nantucket 190, especially with the larger engines, then tabs are mandatory--I think. |
| JoeyP |
posted 09-20-2007 10:17 AM ET (US)
I'm still on the fence. I again spoke with the dealer about trading my 05 Montauk for his 07 190 Outrage w/150 Verado. He came down about a $1000.00 to 37K even form 38K. He is offering 18,500 trade on my Montauk. This deal almost doubles my current monthly payment and it is the bare end of the season. I would use the boat about another three weeks. The dealer does seem eager to sell. |
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