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continuousdave posted 04-22-2008 02:52 PM ET (US)
I'm looking at some used Outrage 19 and Outrage 20 (c.1996 to c.1998) and most have the original engine on them. Knowing a new engine would be an investment in the near future, I'm curious to hear from people that already own this model and get performance [data] from their boat. Seems like a lot of them came with 175-HP from the factory but I've seen up to 225-HP on them,too. I'm curious how the boats performed with 175-HP and if anyone has a 150-HP on it. They seem to be a little heavier than a 190 Nantucket. Any feedback is helpful.
Dave
Tom W Clark posted 04-22-2008 03:18 PM ET (US)
Dave,
Whaler factory performance data I have for the Outrage 20 from that time shows:
43 MPH at 5500 RPM with a Johnson 150 and a 15" x 17" SST prop.
50.9 MPH @ 5500 RPM with a Johnson 225 and a 14-3/4" x 21" SST prop.
46.2 MPH at 5500 RPM with a Mercury 175 and a 15-1/2" x 17" MIRAGEplus prop.
phatwhaler posted 04-22-2008 04:21 PM ET (US)
CD,
I have a 1996 19/20 Outrage with a 1996 150 Merc EFI. It goes 43mph at 5500 rpms, with a 17P Prop. My opinion is that 150 horses is plenty of power. In the ocean you can't really go all that fast in a 20 foot boat, in the ICW a 225 would be cool, but it would burn more fuel. The good news with regard to the older engines is that most of these old engines are pretty reliable and easy to get parts for, and don't require a computer to fix them.
Later.
continuousdave posted 04-22-2008 05:10 PM ET (US)
Thanks Tom and PhatWhaler. Tom, are those performance [data] posted somewhere online? I know where to get similar [data] for the new models on the WHALER.COM website but not for the old models.
PhatWhaler, do you have an experience with these older outboards? Any preference for old Mercs vs. OMC products? Depending on the vintage, I seem to find these 1996-1998 Whalers with one of these two types of outboards. Thanks again for any responce.
Dave
Tom W Clark posted 04-22-2008 07:26 PM ET (US)
Dave,
That data is not available online. I have them as hardcopy and they were marked "CONFIDENTIAL" by the factory back then. I cannot reveal my source ;-)
phatwhaler posted 04-22-2008 11:27 PM ET (US)
I don't have much experience with older Johnsons. I do have a decent amount of experience with Mercs though. Many of these 1996-1999 19/20 Outrages have Mercury power since Brunswick bought Whaler around 1996. I think the 2.5L 150/175/200 is probably the "small block chevy" of outboards. They are very reliable if taken care of. The Johnsons of that era I don't have much experience with.
continuousdave posted 04-23-2008 12:02 PM ET (US)
Phatwhaler, if you don't mind me asking, where do you boat? I'm in Los Angeles and would be in open ocean. We have Catalina Island which is about a 26 mile run. The channel can get snotty so I'm curious as to how this model runs in chop, open swell, etc. Do you have tabs? if so, does it need them. Does it porpose like the old Outrage 20 did? Thanks in advance.
onlyawhaler posted 04-23-2008 01:07 PM ET (US)
Hi Dave
I have a 1999 20 with a 225 Yamaha OX66 two stoke. The original owner, a tech with a Boston Whaler dealership took off the 175 Mercury Optimax from the factory with 0 hours and re-rigged with the bigger Yamaha. They are a Mercury/Yamaha dealership so he had the latitude to do so.
These 19/20s are great, great boats. They have lots of storage and I am sure it would easily handle a Catalina trip. With a full load of gas and a bigger engine like mine, it does tend to be stern heavy. It still planes well and having trim tabs eliminates any potential to porpoise which may happen a bit when fully loaded with passangers in the rear.
Performance figures are in the low 50s with a 225 at sea level. I boat up at altitude around 6000 ft and top GPS speed is 46 at 5200 rpms with a Mirage 17 pitch
Good luck
Onlyawhaler
phatwhaler posted 04-23-2008 06:38 PM ET (US)
I do most of my boating in Pinellas County Florida. I have done a Bimini trip, from Ft. Lauderdale. I think going to Catalina would be a great trip. I do not have tabs, but I could sure use them. This boat will porpoise if you trim the motor up too much.
continuousdave posted 04-23-2008 08:28 PM ET (US)
Thanks again all. Do any of you have any fuel burn rates (MPG, GMH+MPH, etc). Again, with fuel prices here in CA, it can add up really quick. Thanks

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Author	Topic: Outrage 19, Outrage 20: 150-HP
continuousdave	posted 04-22-2008 02:52 PM ET (US) I'm looking at some used Outrage 19 and Outrage 20 (c.1996 to c.1998) and most have the original engine on them. Knowing a new engine would be an investment in the near future, I'm curious to hear from people that already own this model and get performance [data] from their boat. Seems like a lot of them came with 175-HP from the factory but I've seen up to 225-HP on them,too. I'm curious how the boats performed with 175-HP and if anyone has a 150-HP on it. They seem to be a little heavier than a 190 Nantucket. Any feedback is helpful. Dave
Tom W Clark	posted 04-22-2008 03:18 PM ET (US) Dave, Whaler factory performance data I have for the Outrage 20 from that time shows: 43 MPH at 5500 RPM with a Johnson 150 and a 15" x 17" SST prop. 50.9 MPH @ 5500 RPM with a Johnson 225 and a 14-3/4" x 21" SST prop. 46.2 MPH at 5500 RPM with a Mercury 175 and a 15-1/2" x 17" MIRAGEplus prop.
phatwhaler	posted 04-22-2008 04:21 PM ET (US) CD, I have a 1996 19/20 Outrage with a 1996 150 Merc EFI. It goes 43mph at 5500 rpms, with a 17P Prop. My opinion is that 150 horses is plenty of power. In the ocean you can't really go all that fast in a 20 foot boat, in the ICW a 225 would be cool, but it would burn more fuel. The good news with regard to the older engines is that most of these old engines are pretty reliable and easy to get parts for, and don't require a computer to fix them. Later.
continuousdave	posted 04-22-2008 05:10 PM ET (US) Thanks Tom and PhatWhaler. Tom, are those performance [data] posted somewhere online? I know where to get similar [data] for the new models on the WHALER.COM website but not for the old models. PhatWhaler, do you have an experience with these older outboards? Any preference for old Mercs vs. OMC products? Depending on the vintage, I seem to find these 1996-1998 Whalers with one of these two types of outboards. Thanks again for any responce. Dave
Tom W Clark	posted 04-22-2008 07:26 PM ET (US) Dave, That data is not available online. I have them as hardcopy and they were marked "CONFIDENTIAL" by the factory back then. I cannot reveal my source ;-)
phatwhaler	posted 04-22-2008 11:27 PM ET (US) I don't have much experience with older Johnsons. I do have a decent amount of experience with Mercs though. Many of these 1996-1999 19/20 Outrages have Mercury power since Brunswick bought Whaler around 1996. I think the 2.5L 150/175/200 is probably the "small block chevy" of outboards. They are very reliable if taken care of. The Johnsons of that era I don't have much experience with.
continuousdave	posted 04-23-2008 12:02 PM ET (US) Phatwhaler, if you don't mind me asking, where do you boat? I'm in Los Angeles and would be in open ocean. We have Catalina Island which is about a 26 mile run. The channel can get snotty so I'm curious as to how this model runs in chop, open swell, etc. Do you have tabs? if so, does it need them. Does it porpose like the old Outrage 20 did? Thanks in advance.
onlyawhaler	posted 04-23-2008 01:07 PM ET (US) Hi Dave I have a 1999 20 with a 225 Yamaha OX66 two stoke. The original owner, a tech with a Boston Whaler dealership took off the 175 Mercury Optimax from the factory with 0 hours and re-rigged with the bigger Yamaha. They are a Mercury/Yamaha dealership so he had the latitude to do so. These 19/20s are great, great boats. They have lots of storage and I am sure it would easily handle a Catalina trip. With a full load of gas and a bigger engine like mine, it does tend to be stern heavy. It still planes well and having trim tabs eliminates any potential to porpoise which may happen a bit when fully loaded with passangers in the rear. Performance figures are in the low 50s with a 225 at sea level. I boat up at altitude around 6000 ft and top GPS speed is 46 at 5200 rpms with a Mirage 17 pitch Good luck Onlyawhaler
phatwhaler	posted 04-23-2008 06:38 PM ET (US) I do most of my boating in Pinellas County Florida. I have done a Bimini trip, from Ft. Lauderdale. I think going to Catalina would be a great trip. I do not have tabs, but I could sure use them. This boat will porpoise if you trim the motor up too much.
continuousdave	posted 04-23-2008 08:28 PM ET (US) Thanks again all. Do any of you have any fuel burn rates (MPG, GMH+MPH, etc). Again, with fuel prices here in CA, it can add up really quick. Thanks