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ContinuousWave Whaler Moderated Discussion Areas ContinuousWave: Post-Classic Whalers How a new 210 should be rigged
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Author | Topic: How a new 210 should be rigged |
SJUAE |
posted 04-25-2008 03:05 AM ET (US)
Hopefully you will like this: http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6616/210outrage003nv0.jpg Subject to earache from the Mrs this should be mine next week Now to find a decent motor and gauges Rgds |
Bulldog |
posted 04-25-2008 06:24 AM ET (US)
Brand new without a motor? Looks nice, enjoy!....Jack |
fno |
posted 04-25-2008 07:08 AM ET (US)
Nice deal, Steve. Don't go any lower than the 225 h.p. on the nameplate. 200 would be the lowest I would go. Are you going to use the outriggers? I'm looking for a pair of poles for mine.If you have the livewell but no freshwater, I'll show you how to rig something up. |
Jordi |
posted 04-25-2008 08:09 AM ET (US)
Steve, My first option for outboard would be the Verado 225 (6 cyl) with power steering on a four blade prop. Next the 200 Verado (6 cyl) and last the 200 Verado (4 cyl). If you go with Mercury study those performance numbers on the Boston Whaler home page. Do not forget those trim tabs!!! The 210 is a fantastic family fishing boat. Congratulations, Jordi |
bkloss |
posted 04-25-2008 10:30 AM ET (US)
Did the boat not have the smartcraft gauges already installed? Interesting trailer configuration with the low bunk. Brian |
SJUAE |
posted 04-25-2008 10:44 AM ET (US)
Many thanks I have no idea what to do with those out riggers other than looking like a porcupine going down the cornice. Yes please Fno I would like some details on FW retro installation. Actually I have a hard decision to make on the OB, I’ll explain briefly: I had the choice of a 2008 model with no extras other than a sun top and ski pole or this one 2006 fully loaded bar FW and Trimtabs It even has the Navman (now discontinued) deluxe electronics package http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/299/210outrage006zk4.jpg http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2347/210outrage005ai6.jpg The 2008 one is from the only official BW dealer 3 miles away and has a Evinrude dealership The 2006 is from a general boat dealer 100 miles and has no engines currently in stock but can get a Verado 200 for me. It gets worse as the local dealer is where I want to keep my 210 as he’s the cheapest in town and a little man gets the boat ready for you and washes and cleans it on your return, which is a big deal in the summer when it’s 45C and all you want is AC after your trip. I always wanted a 4 Stroke and after recently getting rid of my old chaparral ski boat with a 1997 225 Evinrude which seized up and replaced with a 200hp head before selling on. I may be forced to get the 225 Etec just to keep the local dealer happy which is no big deal as it’s about 3000US cheaper so that’s 3 years no maintenance (ish) and 3 free years petrol, being simplistic. Although the extra 6-8 DB’s may drown out the wife moaning on how much did this cost. Jordi many thanks for reminding me to spend more, yes trimtabs maybe for xmas, not sure if they have the new Verado’s here, but with potential 20% savings could kick in the long term. I’m more concerned if the guys here are competent enough to look after these new engines. I’ll get a shot of their workshop for you tomorrow, you will see what I mean. Finally with the fishing package is the tackle box behind the cooler back rest?? As I’ve not seen the boat yet. Regards |
bluewaterpirate |
posted 04-25-2008 10:52 AM ET (US)
The outriggers can be easily removed. ETEC would be a good fit if you choose not to go with the Verado. Do not go below 200 hp. If you choose the Verado you can connect your Navman FF/CP (plug & play) and display all your engine functions via your CP. |
fno |
posted 04-25-2008 11:50 AM ET (US)
Tackle box is/was on the side of the leaning post. They may or may not have started putting one behing the backrest on the front of the console. If you did not get the electronics box, I can recommend a better looking and cheaper than BW alternative. Smith the rod holder people make a fiberglass one that looks better than OEM and is cheaper. The Etec will be a great choice in motors too. I have the old Yamamerc 225 four stroke, but would not hesitate to put an Etec on it if I had to. I'll PM you about the riggers. |
SJUAE |
posted 04-25-2008 06:05 PM ET (US)
Verado may be back on the cards as a friend in the marine business tonight offered to help source a cheaper one and thought the dealer still wants to offer storage space regardless. Bkloss, I hoped that the trailer was the optional ali one supplied by BW, are the bunks set too low for towing or do you think something else is astray?. Sorry posted console layout re gauges just after your comment, see pic. Interesting if you can synch the Navman with the Verado but I guess it’s no substitute for the 2 main rev/speed dials as it maybe a bit small to read on the CP. Bluewaterpirate, sorry I mean I’ve never fished with out riggers . I looked at whaler parts and found very little change between 2006 and 8 but did notice that the deluxe seat with livewell has tackle draws and the fishing package also states tackle draws which seem mounted behind the cooler backrest in whaler parts diagrams for the console. As the summer sea temp here gets easily to +30C/86F or more is there anything to be concerned on Verados/ETEC’s |
onlyawhaler |
posted 04-25-2008 11:06 PM ET (US)
I didn't know it was possible to get or order a blank Whaler with no engine. This would seem to solve alot of requests from those that want alternative engine choices Onlyawhaler |
Casco Bay Outrage |
posted 04-26-2008 12:33 AM ET (US)
Only - This member is in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) . Boston Whaler hulls sold outside the US don't necessarily have the mandatory Mercury engine pre-rigged. |
Jordi |
posted 04-26-2008 08:49 AM ET (US)
SJUAE, The 210 does not come from Boston Whaler with a trailer. Depending on location most dealers have arrangements with local trailer dealers to make/supply the custom fit trailer for the 210. The tackle box behind the backrest in the front cooler was offered on the 190 Outrage. I have never seen this set up on the 210. Local mechanical support is one of the most important factors when deciding on your outboard. Verados are great if you have good service support if you do not get an outboard that is locally serviceable. Jordi |
SJUAE |
posted 04-26-2008 03:05 PM ET (US)
Jordi Thanks, I thought the optional ali trailer was from BW There is a main Merc dealer here, not where I want to store the Outrage, but it’s only 7Km away on the other side of town. They look slightly better. I like the sound of the DTS control especially for low speed control, but I assume you willneed the 2 smartcraft dials for this option? I’m also confused that there is a new 2008 smartcraft gauge with multifunction display (not the square LCD one) is this just an additional or could it replace 1 or both of the normal speed/rev combo. I take it that my BW tank sender just attaches to the smartcraft system without any attachments unlike the I-Commander sytem for the ETEC Damm I hate all this research I just wanna get out and play Rgds |
Jordi |
posted 04-27-2008 07:45 AM ET (US)
Steve, Currently the 210 does not come from factory with an aluminum trailer. It may have in previous years; call Boston Whaler 1-877-294-5645 to find out. I am assuming if you go the Verado route you will rig with DTS, I believe this is your only option. Can you get a Verado without DTS?? (Not sure.....call Mercury Marine) I have the Smartcraft dual gauge set up with the multifunction display; I am not familiar with the 08 enhancements. You might try posting to the Verado club web site to get a response from that forum.(www.veradoclub.com). Jordi |
SJUAE |
posted 04-27-2008 04:11 PM ET (US)
Jordi Thanks, seems the only Verados available here are the 250/275L6 and the new 200L4 else wait weeks for a shipment. The 200L4 seems at a good price (comparable with 225ETEC) and comes with DTS slim control and the square smartcraft LCD vessel view monitor. A pair of SC1000 dials would be an extra. It may be a good compromise as its lighter like the ETEC plus the other advantages of the 4 stoke, although it may need a few more revs to get going at the low end compared to the L6’s. The new gauge I was on about is called the Mercmonitor same features as the SC1000 but fully customisation of display. Suppose to be out early 2008 Rgds |
fno |
posted 04-27-2008 07:55 PM ET (US)
Steve, I wouldn't put a four cylinder on a boat that will push 5000 lbs. If the 250 is the same weight as a 225 Verado, put that on the transom. I would, screw the nameplate. |
bluewaterpirate |
posted 04-27-2008 08:47 PM ET (US)
The 225 is more than enough ...... I fish with a gentleman that has a 200 V6 Verado on his fully loaded (gas, water, 3 fisherman etc) the sweet spot is 4500 rpms 33.1 knots burning 10.5 gallons an hour. The boat jumps right up on plane. Don't go above the name plate rated hp. Stay away from the L4 on that boat. Tom |
Chuck Tribolet |
posted 04-27-2008 10:32 PM ET (US)
I don't think that boat is all that low on the trailer. Look at all the clearance between the boat and the fenders. It could easily sit a couple of inches lower. All it would take is 2x4 rather than 2x6 bunks. Might need a stronger material. Or 4x4. Might even be able to go down 3" or more. And don't worry about taking a little longer to get the RIGHT
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bkloss |
posted 04-27-2008 10:42 PM ET (US)
I have the V6 200 Verado and coming from a Dauntless 180 with a 135 optimax, there is a world of difference - all entirely good! There is more than enough hp; very impressive! The torque is unbelievable and it is very quiet. Now I am giving up a little gas mileage but I think the V6 will have less stress than the 4 cylinder 200 Verado. Time will tell. I highly recommend the Verado with one reservation; make sure there is somebody that can service it should you have a problem or need regular maintenance. Check with BW about the Navman and Merc connectivity. If you don't get the Verado, check with other opinions here as there is a lot of good advice about other motor options on this website. It's strange to look at ANY new whaler without a motor already pre-rigged from the factory. |
Jordi |
posted 04-28-2008 08:10 AM ET (US)
Brian, Verado's are inline four and six cylinders not V6's. I have found the inline 6 to run smoother than the V6's. Just like those sweet BMW inline sixes. Jordi |
SJUAE |
posted 04-28-2008 03:34 PM ET (US)
Thanks Chaps, I’m total over whelmed buy the kind support and advice Seems the only person who has let me down is the yard that offered me a slip/storage Until I get this sorted I’m at a standstill as I don’t have anywhere to put my BW now, as I live in an apartment. I agree it seems logical to have a low rated L6 225 than a high rated L4 200 but this may have nothing to do with actual mechanics other than low end torque. I’m not worried about putting a 250L6 Verado on other than the Mrs is already at boiling point and it would be another 3K. I may be forced back to the ETEC225 just on pure logistics and keeping the marina happy, if they can find me a spot. I was looking forward to DTS etc but I seem to have a limited choice if I want it in the water less than 2-3 weeks opposed to 3 months. After waiting 17 years and numerous other boats in-between to get a BW the frustration is killing me. Regds |
bkloss |
posted 04-28-2008 08:41 PM ET (US)
oops my boo,boo. I must have been thinking about something else. I meant it but didn't write it...... |
SJUAE |
posted 05-03-2008 11:00 AM ET (US)
Finally things coming together actually viewed the boat today and got a mooring. This should answer the front tackle box (in addition to the one in the live well): http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4874/dsc01885kp3.jpg Apologises to Verado fans in advance but the dealer with the mooring only does ETEC’s and I was looking forward to DTS but the digital I-Command gauges look good if that’s a compromise, not. The +120lbs saving makes me feel happier especially if I want to mount an auxiliary/kicker and I can put the trim tabs on later. I was actually thinking of getting the conquest boarding step as it’s almost a mirror image of the outrage’s and use it as a cover over a custom made kicker bracket. I feel happier with these guys here with a 225 ETEC as other than an oil change and impeller for the first 3 years, they can stay away. I may regret it in latter years if I think of selling it rather than shipping it back to the UK, just on perceived preference towards 4 strokes. I would like them to mount the oil tank whaler style next to the bilge pump with a deck filler but I’m not sure if the ETEC tank with go through the splash well hatch, any one got dimensions please. Regards |
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