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stumpjumper posted 07-05-2008 12:32 AM ET (US)
Just bought a 2008 170 w/ karavan trailer...i'm having an issue with the bow of the boat not seating into the bow roller on the trailer...it will only seat into the roller if i really torque on the winch. The boat is as far up on the trailer as it can go, because the stainless bow bracket on the boat actually hits the roller before the bow of the boat...any suggestions? It looks like I can possibly raise the whole assembly with some spacers and get the bow roller to nestle close to the bow of the boat? I'm afraid if I leave as is, the force that I put on the boat to bring the bow into the roller may put too much pressure on the hull near the forward bunks.
Also, I've got the BW bimini...any suggestions for storing the bimini while not in use (laying forward)...I need to fit it under a canvas mooring cover...I just have several 2x4s that prop it up a bit, so I don't overstress the ball joint that attaches the bimini to the boat deck. thanks in advance for any advice!
HAPPYJIM posted 07-05-2008 12:46 AM ET (US)
A picture would help understand what you have but I would think that getting the boat as far forward as you can THEN adjusting the stop to fit the bow.
Feejer posted 07-05-2008 09:34 AM ET (US)
I have the same boat and trailer setup (2005). Something does not make sense. It sound like the bow stop is too far forward. A photo would be a big help.
Riverwhaler posted 07-05-2008 02:02 PM ET (US)
All three trailers that I have owned have been adjustable. There ought to be some large u bolts securing the winch bow stop assembly to the upright post which in turn is secured to the frame of the trailer. While the boat is in the proper place on the bunks, loosen all these and position the bow roller just over the bow stop and the strap just under. Then tighten all the nuts. It may take some help holding the winch in place while you tighten but you can get the winch and roller where you want it to be.
Traveller posted 07-05-2008 02:22 PM ET (US)
I have the factory bimini top and laid it back to store it under the cover. I lashed the bimini to the rear rails to hold it up, and the cover fit right over the whole thing. My cover fits over the rails, though, If your cover has to go inside the rails that would be a problem.
DLee posted 07-06-2008 01:47 AM ET (US)
I store my bimini forward for covering. I support it up just a bit with fenders sitting on the forward gunnels. This seems to alleviate any stress on the connectors. Mines a 2003 though, so I have different hardware.
My bimini can also be laid down toward the stern but that causes the slightest hump in my canvas which results in pooling in rear portion of the cover. With the bimini forward I get a nice clean run off at the stern.
Casco Bay Outrage posted 07-06-2008 08:57 AM ET (US)
Stump
My boat loads in a similar fashion at the ramp. It is occurs when the trailer in the water a little bit too far or on a really steep ramp.
I presume your winch strap and bow eye are about level with each other while parked. Is the eye below the roller?
My example: http://picasaweb.google.com/CascoBayOutrage/OutrageTrailer/ photo#5077894037428785842
A photo will help confirm your setup is okay.

newt posted 07-06-2008 09:09 AM ET (US)
Ditto what CBO just said. My trailer fits the Revenge like a glove, but if I back in too deep the pulpit will not clear the winch stand and the bow eye comes in too low at the bow stop. The solution is too pull up the ramp a little bit and then everything lines up nicely.
sapple posted 07-06-2008 02:12 PM ET (US)
I have a similar situation, a 2007 170 with a Karavan trailer. I have launched and retrieved about a dozen times with this set up and it seem to all go OK.
Here are some pics of what it looks like.
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc264/sapple2/Boat%20on%20trailer/ IMG_2827.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc264/sapple2/Boat%20on%20trailer/ IMG_2828.jpg
stumpjumper posted 07-06-2008 08:57 PM ET (US)
Excellent, thanks all for the tips...I ended up moving the entire winch/bow stop assembly about and inch aft...loosened a few more bolts, which brought my bow stop right up to the bow of the boat...now the bow eye just touches the bottom of the bow stop (bow eye is beneath the bow stop)...and the bow of the boat is nestled in the bow stop snuggly...then re-tightened everything...just took it for a spin in Lake Union and Lake Washington (Seattle)...re-loaded and it worked like a charm. thanks again for the advice...best,

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Author	Topic: Trailer Fit Challenge - 170
stumpjumper	posted 07-05-2008 12:32 AM ET (US) Just bought a 2008 170 w/ karavan trailer...i'm having an issue with the bow of the boat not seating into the bow roller on the trailer...it will only seat into the roller if i really torque on the winch. The boat is as far up on the trailer as it can go, because the stainless bow bracket on the boat actually hits the roller before the bow of the boat...any suggestions? It looks like I can possibly raise the whole assembly with some spacers and get the bow roller to nestle close to the bow of the boat? I'm afraid if I leave as is, the force that I put on the boat to bring the bow into the roller may put too much pressure on the hull near the forward bunks. Also, I've got the BW bimini...any suggestions for storing the bimini while not in use (laying forward)...I need to fit it under a canvas mooring cover...I just have several 2x4s that prop it up a bit, so I don't overstress the ball joint that attaches the bimini to the boat deck. thanks in advance for any advice!
HAPPYJIM	posted 07-05-2008 12:46 AM ET (US) A picture would help understand what you have but I would think that getting the boat as far forward as you can THEN adjusting the stop to fit the bow.
Feejer	posted 07-05-2008 09:34 AM ET (US) I have the same boat and trailer setup (2005). Something does not make sense. It sound like the bow stop is too far forward. A photo would be a big help.
Riverwhaler	posted 07-05-2008 02:02 PM ET (US) All three trailers that I have owned have been adjustable. There ought to be some large u bolts securing the winch bow stop assembly to the upright post which in turn is secured to the frame of the trailer. While the boat is in the proper place on the bunks, loosen all these and position the bow roller just over the bow stop and the strap just under. Then tighten all the nuts. It may take some help holding the winch in place while you tighten but you can get the winch and roller where you want it to be.
Traveller	posted 07-05-2008 02:22 PM ET (US) I have the factory bimini top and laid it back to store it under the cover. I lashed the bimini to the rear rails to hold it up, and the cover fit right over the whole thing. My cover fits over the rails, though, If your cover has to go inside the rails that would be a problem.
DLee	posted 07-06-2008 01:47 AM ET (US) I store my bimini forward for covering. I support it up just a bit with fenders sitting on the forward gunnels. This seems to alleviate any stress on the connectors. Mines a 2003 though, so I have different hardware. My bimini can also be laid down toward the stern but that causes the slightest hump in my canvas which results in pooling in rear portion of the cover. With the bimini forward I get a nice clean run off at the stern.
Casco Bay Outrage	posted 07-06-2008 08:57 AM ET (US) Stump My boat loads in a similar fashion at the ramp. It is occurs when the trailer in the water a little bit too far or on a really steep ramp. I presume your winch strap and bow eye are about level with each other while parked. Is the eye below the roller? My example: http://picasaweb.google.com/CascoBayOutrage/OutrageTrailer/ photo#5077894037428785842 A photo will help confirm your setup is okay.
newt	posted 07-06-2008 09:09 AM ET (US) Ditto what CBO just said. My trailer fits the Revenge like a glove, but if I back in too deep the pulpit will not clear the winch stand and the bow eye comes in too low at the bow stop. The solution is too pull up the ramp a little bit and then everything lines up nicely.
sapple	posted 07-06-2008 02:12 PM ET (US) I have a similar situation, a 2007 170 with a Karavan trailer. I have launched and retrieved about a dozen times with this set up and it seem to all go OK. Here are some pics of what it looks like. http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc264/sapple2/Boat%20on%20trailer/ IMG_2827.jpg http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc264/sapple2/Boat%20on%20trailer/ IMG_2828.jpg
stumpjumper	posted 07-06-2008 08:57 PM ET (US) Excellent, thanks all for the tips...I ended up moving the entire winch/bow stop assembly about and inch aft...loosened a few more bolts, which brought my bow stop right up to the bow of the boat...now the bow eye just touches the bottom of the bow stop (bow eye is beneath the bow stop)...and the bow of the boat is nestled in the bow stop snuggly...then re-tightened everything...just took it for a spin in Lake Union and Lake Washington (Seattle)...re-loaded and it worked like a charm. thanks again for the advice...best,