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Steve772 posted 12-11-2008 09:32 PM ET (US)
Hi,
It’s been a long time since you heard from us…
We are just checking in with our (almost) one year report on the purchase of a 190 Montauk w/115 HP.
We just love this boat (period), but it has cost me… big time (more on that later).
OK here it goes… the fit and finish is just great and the boat still looks brand new.
We went with the 115, because we only fish inshore and it was pointed out to us where we live(d) in (Port St Lucie) FL you really only can go 25 MPH (on the ICW) during the winter months. (we can only use the boat in the winter)
This is the first boat we have purchased where we have gone almost a year and not said “you know in our next boat we are going to change this or that” we are completely satisfied with the 190 Montauk.
The only thing we added to the boat was an 8’ Power Pole anchoring system… just a great addition for when you just want to stop with limited commotion and I find it almost imperative when fishing alone.
The fuel economy of the 115 is down right excellent, we idle and spend most of our time below 1200 RPM’s (still haven’t bought a trolling motor). We did the 50 hour service, added a fuel filter, but other than that and fuel we have just turned the key and went fishing.
The Dealer could not have been better; we are completely satisfied with the purchase of our Boston Whale.
So one day the Mrs. said you know a house with a dock would be great, and there are some great deals out there right now... well we just moved to Stuart, FL on the south fork of the St. Lucie River. I never envisioned that a 19’ foot boat would cost us this much <G>!

Steve772 posted 12-11-2008 09:41 PM ET (US)
After all...
Under Interest in my Continuous Wave Profile I listed:
"Keeping My Wife Happy, Fishing"
Please note Fishing is #2, because eeverybody knows if "Mom's unhappy, everybody's unhappy"!
Steve772
Graumann posted 12-11-2008 11:44 PM ET (US)
Steve:
Glad to hear it. Had my 190 with the 115 since September and couldn't be happier. Bought a Minn Kota 80lb ST bow-mount for it, but haven't had the fortitude to drill the holes yet! Congrats on the water front place. We're looking around for one also, on Lake Texoma here in Texas.
Keith
Steve772 posted 12-12-2008 12:11 AM ET (US)
Keith,
Congrats on you Montauk. This is an unbelievable time for home buyers right now, but as you get into it... it gets real depressing, there are many horror stories out there.
<Minn Kota 80lb ST bow-mount>
Great choice, we hope to go with the same unit.
The Co. that is going to do ours wants to put the sealed batteries in the anchor locker (that way you could potentially save some money on your install). They really like the fact that the Montauk comes with a re-enforced bow that can easily be drilled into.
Steve772

Rick U posted 12-12-2008 12:03 PM ET (US)
I purchased mine in August of this year and love the boat. I purchased it without ever taking a test ride and it has surpassed my expectations.
It's light, quick enough, and nimble but best of all, it has lots of deck space for fishing.
Ferdinando posted 12-12-2008 12:10 PM ET (US)
All I can say is "I love my 190" period.
Tohsgib posted 12-12-2008 12:28 PM ET (US)
Light? At 1900lbs it is 400 more than the old Banana 19 and 18/19 outrages of the 80's and early 90's.
I test drove one before they went on sale at the Sarasota show. I was pretty darn impressed, especially with the 115.
Rick U posted 12-12-2008 08:49 PM ET (US)
I guess it's not so light. I downsized from a Whaler 27 w twin 250's so it feels pretty light to me. The 190 is well balanced and skims across the water with no porpoising. I do slow down in short chop.
Whaler_Jack posted 12-13-2008 08:49 AM ET (US)
I've had mine about a year and a half and I think it's a great boat. It does everything well. It's my third Whaler.
Jack
L H G posted 12-14-2008 06:09 PM ET (US)
I recently had a chance to "look under" a new 190 Montauk at a Dealership, and check out the hull design. I was interested in seeing it's configuration because of the familiar rounded bottom at the transom. As many know, this is VERY reminiscent of the rounded transom profile of the 16' Nauset/Sakonnett/Currituck hull, and also the 19 and 21 Outrages of the 70's.
The more I looked, the more I realized how similar the old and new hulls are, with the exception of the hollowed-out reverse curves (slight tri-hull) in the bow area, and how surprised I was to see the deep vee idea basically gone, with relatively flat bottoms. Like the 70's era boats, this is what gives them the high fuel efficiency.
The question I have, is how do these hulls ride? Everyone knows that these first generation Outrage hulls of the 70's can have a harder ride into a chop, and I'm wondering if the new 190's also show that characteristic.
But other than that, I am not surprised to see BW returning the bottom configuration similar, but improved, to the original, highly efficient Whalers, the boats which gave the Company it's great name originally, and with a new found interest in them recently. I think it is a good idea for Whaler to get back to some of it's "roots", which these new Montauks do.
DeepSouthWhaler posted 12-15-2008 11:38 AM ET (US)
I have had the 190 Montauk for over a year now. The 135 Verado is installed on it. Prior to this boat I had a 1999 18 Dauntless with a 150 Optimax. The boats are very similar in size except for the large squared off bow that the Montauk has. This makes for a considerable amount of room in the bow area compared to the Dauntless. The Montauk is better balanced than the Dauntless. The Dauntless was stern heavy and was a little slow out of the hole even with trim tabs. The Dauntless did have a faster top-end speed and had better maneuverability at higher speeds. The Montauk jumps quickly onto a plane and the boat responds very well to the motor trim. The Montauk also rides better in choppy conditions when compared to the Dauntless. I find that more speed actually smoothes the ride. The broad bow of the Montauk is also very difficult to punch threw a wave. Both the Montauk and the Dauntless are very dry boats. I really enjoy the Montauk. It is a pleasure to drive. I was always playing with the trim tabs, throttle or the motor trim with the Dauntless. The Montauk is easy to handle especially with the DTS. The Verado is awesome.
Now I can't wait to take it out again this weekend. It snowed in New Orleans last Thursday. It will be in the mid to upper 70s all this week!
Steve772 posted 12-15-2008 01:04 PM ET (US)
DeepSouthWhaler,
<I find that more speed actually smoothes the ride.>
I agree, it's kind of funny, I find myself speeding up a bit in a chop and if that doesn't help my second thought is then to back it down.
Steve772
Whalerdog posted 12-16-2008 12:41 PM ET (US)
Well I have about 160 hr. on mine just exploring and running in the rough Jones inlet for fun playing with it like a surf board. Motor cover on my 115 is to me ugly vs Evin rude cowl. Other than that it is a great combo and I can't imagine a boat more sea worthy near it's size. I have put it through it paces and not even a hairline crack in the gel. 115 very fuel efficient.
Steve772 posted 02-01-2009 05:20 PM ET (US)
Graumann,
FYI,
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/003841.html
caperz posted 02-04-2009 09:53 PM ET (US)
Just purchased a 2007 190 Montauk this week. Picked it up in NC and trailered it to Fl. Love the boat. My question is, having a large family wanting to go on rides..should I invest in a cooler seat and aft seat options through BW, or find a local boat shop to fabricate some cushions ? I'd prefer something easily removable for my fishing outings.
sheikofthesea posted 02-05-2009 03:05 AM ET (US)
I have had my 190 for two full years now. Like everybody else I love it.
Lets start with the engine. Smooth, quiet, efficient. I have a two battery set up so the Debunker Redux has never gone belly up on me. The only time in two years I have not been able to go out on it I somehow managed to misplace both sets of keys. I noticed it smoking once ever so slightly )and it was some tine and plastic stuff stuck in the prop. Check the prop often for fishing line and such.
I heard the Mercury cowling might be a problem and the latch did break. Not sure what to do about that. I have winterized it twice, first time started up like a charm--did have a momentary scare when I was flushing it out during the winterizing process. It turned out to just be that funny stand off when the flywheel is engaged with the other gear.
I get 32 knots tops with the bimini up and running about 6100 rpms. Feels comfortable cruising at 22 knots. Its a big boat, it turns well and bangs through a chop which reminds me that it is a whaler and it is a Montauk which means if you have gone 60 miles there and back your back is going to be a little sore. But it is a much bigger boat than the 170, seems like twice the size and beats a two foot chop down real well. I too have run it pretty hard and there are no spiderlines or anything like that in the gelcoat.
The great thing about the 190 is that it can slip in and out of the little rocky bays and still leave you confident to face open water.

I have loved her as I put her through her paces in and around Long Island Sound and out into the New York Bight, up and down the East River and over and around to the Hudson. I use it mostly as a fishing boat but also for family and fun excursions. A total platform, that feels really safe, is really safe. For fishing I have added a bunch of rod holders and I am going to add one of those super suction rod mounts for more storage space. I have the fishing package
and the rear seating it is very easy to install and take off. If I am fishing I dont like the rear seat because it covers the livewell. The forward cushion turns the bow of the boat into a deck.
I cant run out of superlatives in praising the boat. Just love it.

Sheik

Steve772 posted 02-05-2009 04:18 PM ET (US)
Sheik,
>The great thing about the 190 is that it can slip in and out of the little rocky bays and still leave you confident to face open water.<
We totally agree, that feature is what sold us.
Steve
swist posted 02-06-2009 12:14 PM ET (US)
The hull design is great for all the reasons mentioned in this thread, but it is still not a deep-V and doesn't ride like one. Whalers are good but they have not miraculously found a hull design that is superior in every metric. My previous boat was a ProLine 24 and my back can attest to the fact that it pounded and slapped much much less. But I've also been on a Carolina skiff which gives you and idea of the other extreme. I'm sure it gets great mileage, but I'd have to spend a week in traction. The Montauk seems to have gotten most off the compromises right, but they are compromises.
wbullwin posted 02-09-2009 10:23 AM ET (US)
On the 21st, I'm going with Bostoneddie to pick up his new 190 Montauk. Can you of you 190 owners tell me the height of you hitch off the ground? Either to the top of the ball or to the top of the hitch, but please be specific since it is about a 3" difference. I tow a 170 Montauk and I just want to make sure I have the right height hitch. Since he is new at boating and trailering, I'm going to bring it home for him for the 2 hour drive.
Thanks,
Wally

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Author	Topic: 190 Montauk (One Year Report)
Steve772	posted 12-11-2008 09:32 PM ET (US) Hi, It’s been a long time since you heard from us… We are just checking in with our (almost) one year report on the purchase of a 190 Montauk w/115 HP. We just love this boat (period), but it has cost me… big time (more on that later). OK here it goes… the fit and finish is just great and the boat still looks brand new. We went with the 115, because we only fish inshore and it was pointed out to us where we live(d) in (Port St Lucie) FL you really only can go 25 MPH (on the ICW) during the winter months. (we can only use the boat in the winter) This is the first boat we have purchased where we have gone almost a year and not said “you know in our next boat we are going to change this or that” we are completely satisfied with the 190 Montauk. The only thing we added to the boat was an 8’ Power Pole anchoring system… just a great addition for when you just want to stop with limited commotion and I find it almost imperative when fishing alone. The fuel economy of the 115 is down right excellent, we idle and spend most of our time below 1200 RPM’s (still haven’t bought a trolling motor). We did the 50 hour service, added a fuel filter, but other than that and fuel we have just turned the key and went fishing. The Dealer could not have been better; we are completely satisfied with the purchase of our Boston Whale. So one day the Mrs. said you know a house with a dock would be great, and there are some great deals out there right now... well we just moved to Stuart, FL on the south fork of the St. Lucie River. I never envisioned that a 19’ foot boat would cost us this much <G>!
Steve772	posted 12-11-2008 09:41 PM ET (US) After all... Under Interest in my Continuous Wave Profile I listed: "Keeping My Wife Happy, Fishing" Please note Fishing is #2, because eeverybody knows if "Mom's unhappy, everybody's unhappy"! Steve772
Graumann	posted 12-11-2008 11:44 PM ET (US) Steve: Glad to hear it. Had my 190 with the 115 since September and couldn't be happier. Bought a Minn Kota 80lb ST bow-mount for it, but haven't had the fortitude to drill the holes yet! Congrats on the water front place. We're looking around for one also, on Lake Texoma here in Texas. Keith
Steve772	posted 12-12-2008 12:11 AM ET (US) Keith, Congrats on you Montauk. This is an unbelievable time for home buyers right now, but as you get into it... it gets real depressing, there are many horror stories out there. <Minn Kota 80lb ST bow-mount> Great choice, we hope to go with the same unit. The Co. that is going to do ours wants to put the sealed batteries in the anchor locker (that way you could potentially save some money on your install). They really like the fact that the Montauk comes with a re-enforced bow that can easily be drilled into. Steve772
Rick U	posted 12-12-2008 12:03 PM ET (US) I purchased mine in August of this year and love the boat. I purchased it without ever taking a test ride and it has surpassed my expectations. It's light, quick enough, and nimble but best of all, it has lots of deck space for fishing.
Ferdinando	posted 12-12-2008 12:10 PM ET (US) All I can say is "I love my 190" period.
Tohsgib	posted 12-12-2008 12:28 PM ET (US) Light? At 1900lbs it is 400 more than the old Banana 19 and 18/19 outrages of the 80's and early 90's. I test drove one before they went on sale at the Sarasota show. I was pretty darn impressed, especially with the 115.
Rick U	posted 12-12-2008 08:49 PM ET (US) I guess it's not so light. I downsized from a Whaler 27 w twin 250's so it feels pretty light to me. The 190 is well balanced and skims across the water with no porpoising. I do slow down in short chop.
Whaler_Jack	posted 12-13-2008 08:49 AM ET (US) I've had mine about a year and a half and I think it's a great boat. It does everything well. It's my third Whaler. Jack
L H G	posted 12-14-2008 06:09 PM ET (US) I recently had a chance to "look under" a new 190 Montauk at a Dealership, and check out the hull design. I was interested in seeing it's configuration because of the familiar rounded bottom at the transom. As many know, this is VERY reminiscent of the rounded transom profile of the 16' Nauset/Sakonnett/Currituck hull, and also the 19 and 21 Outrages of the 70's. The more I looked, the more I realized how similar the old and new hulls are, with the exception of the hollowed-out reverse curves (slight tri-hull) in the bow area, and how surprised I was to see the deep vee idea basically gone, with relatively flat bottoms. Like the 70's era boats, this is what gives them the high fuel efficiency. The question I have, is how do these hulls ride? Everyone knows that these first generation Outrage hulls of the 70's can have a harder ride into a chop, and I'm wondering if the new 190's also show that characteristic. But other than that, I am not surprised to see BW returning the bottom configuration similar, but improved, to the original, highly efficient Whalers, the boats which gave the Company it's great name originally, and with a new found interest in them recently. I think it is a good idea for Whaler to get back to some of it's "roots", which these new Montauks do.
DeepSouthWhaler	posted 12-15-2008 11:38 AM ET (US) I have had the 190 Montauk for over a year now. The 135 Verado is installed on it. Prior to this boat I had a 1999 18 Dauntless with a 150 Optimax. The boats are very similar in size except for the large squared off bow that the Montauk has. This makes for a considerable amount of room in the bow area compared to the Dauntless. The Montauk is better balanced than the Dauntless. The Dauntless was stern heavy and was a little slow out of the hole even with trim tabs. The Dauntless did have a faster top-end speed and had better maneuverability at higher speeds. The Montauk jumps quickly onto a plane and the boat responds very well to the motor trim. The Montauk also rides better in choppy conditions when compared to the Dauntless. I find that more speed actually smoothes the ride. The broad bow of the Montauk is also very difficult to punch threw a wave. Both the Montauk and the Dauntless are very dry boats. I really enjoy the Montauk. It is a pleasure to drive. I was always playing with the trim tabs, throttle or the motor trim with the Dauntless. The Montauk is easy to handle especially with the DTS. The Verado is awesome. Now I can't wait to take it out again this weekend. It snowed in New Orleans last Thursday. It will be in the mid to upper 70s all this week!
Steve772	posted 12-15-2008 01:04 PM ET (US) DeepSouthWhaler, <I find that more speed actually smoothes the ride.> I agree, it's kind of funny, I find myself speeding up a bit in a chop and if that doesn't help my second thought is then to back it down. Steve772
Whalerdog	posted 12-16-2008 12:41 PM ET (US) Well I have about 160 hr. on mine just exploring and running in the rough Jones inlet for fun playing with it like a surf board. Motor cover on my 115 is to me ugly vs Evin rude cowl. Other than that it is a great combo and I can't imagine a boat more sea worthy near it's size. I have put it through it paces and not even a hairline crack in the gel. 115 very fuel efficient.
Steve772	posted 02-01-2009 05:20 PM ET (US) Graumann, FYI, http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/003841.html
caperz	posted 02-04-2009 09:53 PM ET (US) Just purchased a 2007 190 Montauk this week. Picked it up in NC and trailered it to Fl. Love the boat. My question is, having a large family wanting to go on rides..should I invest in a cooler seat and aft seat options through BW, or find a local boat shop to fabricate some cushions ? I'd prefer something easily removable for my fishing outings.
sheikofthesea	posted 02-05-2009 03:05 AM ET (US) I have had my 190 for two full years now. Like everybody else I love it. Lets start with the engine. Smooth, quiet, efficient. I have a two battery set up so the Debunker Redux has never gone belly up on me. The only time in two years I have not been able to go out on it I somehow managed to misplace both sets of keys. I noticed it smoking once ever so slightly )and it was some tine and plastic stuff stuck in the prop. Check the prop often for fishing line and such. I heard the Mercury cowling might be a problem and the latch did break. Not sure what to do about that. I have winterized it twice, first time started up like a charm--did have a momentary scare when I was flushing it out during the winterizing process. It turned out to just be that funny stand off when the flywheel is engaged with the other gear. I get 32 knots tops with the bimini up and running about 6100 rpms. Feels comfortable cruising at 22 knots. Its a big boat, it turns well and bangs through a chop which reminds me that it is a whaler and it is a Montauk which means if you have gone 60 miles there and back your back is going to be a little sore. But it is a much bigger boat than the 170, seems like twice the size and beats a two foot chop down real well. I too have run it pretty hard and there are no spiderlines or anything like that in the gelcoat. The great thing about the 190 is that it can slip in and out of the little rocky bays and still leave you confident to face open water. I have loved her as I put her through her paces in and around Long Island Sound and out into the New York Bight, up and down the East River and over and around to the Hudson. I use it mostly as a fishing boat but also for family and fun excursions. A total platform, that feels really safe, is really safe. For fishing I have added a bunch of rod holders and I am going to add one of those super suction rod mounts for more storage space. I have the fishing package and the rear seating it is very easy to install and take off. If I am fishing I dont like the rear seat because it covers the livewell. The forward cushion turns the bow of the boat into a deck. I cant run out of superlatives in praising the boat. Just love it. Sheik
Steve772	posted 02-05-2009 04:18 PM ET (US) Sheik, >The great thing about the 190 is that it can slip in and out of the little rocky bays and still leave you confident to face open water.< We totally agree, that feature is what sold us. Steve
swist	posted 02-06-2009 12:14 PM ET (US) The hull design is great for all the reasons mentioned in this thread, but it is still not a deep-V and doesn't ride like one. Whalers are good but they have not miraculously found a hull design that is superior in every metric. My previous boat was a ProLine 24 and my back can attest to the fact that it pounded and slapped much much less. But I've also been on a Carolina skiff which gives you and idea of the other extreme. I'm sure it gets great mileage, but I'd have to spend a week in traction. The Montauk seems to have gotten most off the compromises right, but they are compromises.
wbullwin	posted 02-09-2009 10:23 AM ET (US) On the 21st, I'm going with Bostoneddie to pick up his new 190 Montauk. Can you of you 190 owners tell me the height of you hitch off the ground? Either to the top of the ball or to the top of the hitch, but please be specific since it is about a 3" difference. I tow a 170 Montauk and I just want to make sure I have the right height hitch. Since he is new at boating and trailering, I'm going to bring it home for him for the 2 hour drive. Thanks, Wally