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Jpar posted 05-26-2010 09:28 AM ET (US)
[There is] information on new model coming soon at
http://www.bemarine.com/content.asp?nav=146833&cpid=34393&
Kelry posted 05-26-2010 10:43 PM ET (US)
Nice boat. That looks sport and utility minded. If they could only make the bench seat more comfortable but I like it.
Portola posted 05-26-2010 11:48 PM ET (US)
Boston Whaler could use a little more finesse in their product introductions. Their web site lists models that are no longer in production, but makes no mention of stuff that dealers are already promoting. Maybe they could sign up for lessons from Apple.
frontier posted 05-27-2010 12:59 AM ET (US)
How about the iWhaler?
ofmiceandmenemsha posted 05-27-2010 10:44 AM ET (US)
I am sure that [Boston Whaler] is moving to a new website shortly and that they don't want to make any changes to the old site as it lists products which may still be available in a dealer inventory.
Jkcam posted 06-02-2010 07:44 PM ET (US)
MarineMax in Stuart, Florida has a new 170 SUPER SPORT on their floor. Very nice, the bow down dip makes it look speedy. I doubt it will be a big seller, Sport 17's never were. But nice.
ofmiceandmenemsha posted 06-04-2010 09:19 AM ET (US)
Per http://brunswick.com/news/newsstories/marine.php
Check out www.thenewlegend.com
frontier posted 06-04-2010 10:36 AM ET (US)
That is a very nice looking boat.
Interesting stern light set up.
OK, Before I'm corrected - the "White All-Round Pole Light" is an interesting set up.:)
number9 posted 06-04-2010 03:19 PM ET (US)
Noticed a couple of strange things on their link to the 170 SS spec and performance sheets. http://www.thenewlegend.com/170SS_Spec_and_Performance_Sheets.pdf
Stated weight capacity is 970 pounds?
Fuel consumption with 90hp is half of 60hp?
Suspect new corrected sheets will be out soon or BW will sell few of these boats.
onlyawhaler posted 06-04-2010 05:43 PM ET (US)
Take a look at the new 170 Super Sport on [www.thenewlegend.com] website. [The www.thenewlegend.com website] has a video [linked from] the front page that is worth watching.
Among other things [the new Boston Whaler 170 SUPER SPORT] has an arch for pulling with bimini and a 90-HP Mercury that will propel it to 47-MPH pretty fast. That would keep with with my 20 Outrage with a 225. Nice clean look. I would love to have one of these down at Lake Powell behind the houseboat for canyon hopping. I think Whaler will sell a lot of these. Looks like a fun boat.
Onlyawhaler
jimh posted 06-05-2010 10:03 AM ET (US)
The reported fuel mileage of over 8-MPG is impressive.
boatdryver posted 06-05-2010 10:19 AM ET (US)
This 170 Super Sport is a pretty radical departure from any design I've seen from Boston Whaler perhaps since the Rage.
I hope they sell a lot of these. I want Boston Whaler to be around forever.
JimL
chuck21401 posted 06-05-2010 11:15 PM ET (US)
The spec sheet lists the prop as: "Prop: 13 1/4” x 21” Laser II"
I don't see such a prop on the Mercury webpage. I see 13 1/2 X 21" but not 13 1/4 X 21".
I wonder if the spec sheet is a misprint or if there is a new prop from Merc?
WT posted 06-05-2010 11:28 PM ET (US)
The 170 Sport with the 60 hp motor gets 4+ mpg and the 90 hp motor gets 8+ mpg.
Goes to show that under-powering a Whaler can cost you in mpg.
Warren
onlyawhaler posted 06-06-2010 02:18 PM ET (US)
There is a good video of this boat right on the landing page of boston whaler.
With the 90hp Merc, stainless prop, wakeboard tower and 47 miles per hour I agree with boating magazine, Whaler hit it on the mark.
Looks like a great fun little boat, classic not, but still great
Onlyawhaler
number9 posted 06-08-2010 12:47 PM ET (US)
BW has managed to correct the spec sheet to show a 1570lb. capacity versus their originally linked sheet that indicated only 970lbs. Still find it difficult to believe the mpg differences on their performance sheets and believe they will also be corrected one of these days.
ofmiceandmenemsha posted 06-08-2010 02:21 PM ET (US)
i can confirm that the performance data(fuel consumption) listed on the site on the 60 vs the 90 (at optimal cruise) is correct.
number9 posted 06-09-2010 05:33 AM ET (US)

quote:
i can confirm that the performance data(fuel consumption) listed on the site on the 60 vs the 90 (at optimal cruise) is correct.

ofmiceandmenemsha,
If serious, would you mind sharing with us how you were able to confirm the performance data you mention. There is a popular notion that fuel consumption may be lower with an increase of horsepower in some applications. In some boat/motor combination's there may be a modest increase in fuel efficiency but not the extreme differences presented by BW in the performance data for the new 170SS.
Dauntless 180 posted 06-09-2010 07:11 AM ET (US)
I guess I don't get their market. Younger families? All the young families I know who own a boat own a bow rider for 10K less. Nice looking boat though.
ConB posted 06-09-2010 12:02 PM ET (US)
I think that there will be 17 Super Sports purchased and keep at summer cottages for kids and grand kids to do the water sport stuff. They could fish out of it.
It's a real boat compared to the jet boats that seem to me to be more trouble than they are worth.
Con
bluewaterpirate posted 06-09-2010 12:30 PM ET (US)
Stopped by Marine Max Monday .... they had two both sold with another three backed ordered. This model will be hit with the younger generation for sure. Had a nice fit and finish. The two that were sold had the optinal 19 gallon fuel tank ..... with this option it will have good legs.
Tom
Dauntless 180 posted 06-09-2010 01:26 PM ET (US)
Is the optional tank the made by Moeler
L H G posted 06-09-2010 02:47 PM ET (US)
The performance and fuel economy of that Merc 90 L4NA (in-Line, 4 cylinder, Naturally Aspirated) is impressive. At over 47 MPH on this boat, it's got to be the most powerful 90 on the market. Much smaller and lighter Classic Montauks with another brand of new 90 only do about 42 MPH.
The boat itself looks more like a Sea Ray than a Whaler.
ofmiceandmenemsha posted 06-09-2010 02:55 PM ET (US)
number9, with out revealing my sources, i have very intimate knowledge of both Boston Whaler, its marketing activities and other items concerning the post-classic Whaler brand.
Nauti Tauk posted 06-09-2010 04:18 PM ET (US)
why the cloak and dagger mystery about where you get your information? I don't get it.
jimh posted 06-09-2010 04:25 PM ET (US)
Everyone loves a good mystery.
Boston Whaler performance data has generally been quite reliable. I'd tend to believe their numbers.
ofmiceandmenemsha posted 06-09-2010 05:24 PM ET (US)
you know the people listed as "a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because..."?
consider that me. while i cant speak on behalf of the factory, i can help answer smaller questions about SOME items.
rslsail posted 06-09-2010 06:04 PM ET (US)
Its been my observation that most folks on this website are quite skeptical. I've seen threads go on for what seems like miles debating the slightest performance gains claimed by raising an engine or changing a prop. Yet here it is claimed that both engine horsepower has been increased by 50% and fuel consumption has been decreased by 50% along with outstanding performance and it just seems to be taken as Gospel.
If these claims are true, I think the engineers who pulled that off should probably see what they can do about that nasty oil leak we've all heard so much about.
number9 posted 06-10-2010 12:30 AM ET (US)
BW and Mercury performance reports have been fairly reliable in my opinion too.
My thoughts are that there must be a information flow/marketing/proof reading problems with the 170SS introduction. Then a little research was conducted on my part to support my thinking. The Maximum Weight Capacity error, 970lbs. versus the revised 1570 lbs. obviously was one example they fixed.
To support the probable fuel consumption discrepancy you only need to look at the 130SS Performance Data. Using the same 60hp motor with a test weight of only 140lbs. less it's claimed to get 10mpg versus the 4.21mph at 4000rpm. `
Maybe they slapped on a leftover 2005 TwoStroke 60 BF, it doesn't specifically state FourStroke? Does the hull factor of a planning hull normally change from 186 to 222?

chuck21401 posted 06-10-2010 11:16 PM ET (US)
Whaler needs to offer this boat with the 115HP engine. I'd be tempted to trade in my 170 Montauk. ;)
Chuck
muskrat posted 06-13-2010 09:45 AM ET (US)
Am I the only one who thinks this boat looks ugly and unsafe. I hate to see Whaler drift so far from their classic strong, safe, multiple use design with simple lines. This super sport line might be a good pond hopper for kids but I think Whaler should leave that market to Seadoo and other toy boat companies. I just hope I don't pull up next to a super sport at the beach because because I think my Nantucket would be embarrassed to be related to it.
wood duck posted 06-13-2010 12:24 PM ET (US)
Muskrat, a company can retain its core products, principles, and values and still introduce an offering that will appeal to a different customer group. Whether one considers the boat ugly is a minor issue. I see no evidence that this boat is compromised, unsafe, sinkable, or constructed with inferior products compared to any other current Boston Whaler boat. I hope BW sells alot of these boats and that they will contribute to corporate profitability and dealer financial stability.
muskrat posted 06-13-2010 02:56 PM ET (US)
wood duck, In my opinion the super sport is an extreme example of the changes I've noticed throughout the Whaler line in the last ten or so years. It used to be I'd recognize a Whaler from a mile away, now I have to get close enough to read the logo. Pretty soon you'll be able to order a Whaler with a color scheme to match your wife's favorite bikini, and cup holders every six inches and a bow that tapers so low to the water you won't know which way is up. While old Whalers look good hitched to a muddy Land Rover, newer ones might look better safely in the driveway next to a shiny red corvette.
This has been a lot of fake exaggerated anger, I actually love my cup holders. I still consider Boston Whaler boats second to none but I hope in twenty years they still sell a boat designed for kids, dogs, mud, fish blood and six foot breakers.
muskrat posted 06-13-2010 03:13 PM ET (US)
...Oh and fat guys..because I have fat friends.
WT posted 06-13-2010 03:22 PM ET (US)
Boston Whaler is evolving and adapting to today's environment.
If Boston Whaler could make money selling classic Montauks, classic Outrages and banana hull Whalers, I believe they would.
jimh posted 06-13-2010 06:57 PM ET (US)
We were enjoying a drink before dinner at the wonderful BLUEBIRD restaurant in Leland, Michigan--one of the most picturesque little towns in all of the Great Lakes and perhaps in all of America--when I looked up to see a new Boston Whaler SUPER SPORT boat coming along the waterway. It made a U-turn before it got to us, but I am certain it was a Boston Whaler new SUPER SPORT. It was really quite easy to recognize.
sosmerc posted 06-13-2010 07:59 PM ET (US)
I think the new 17 super sport will definitely have ready market. My only gripe would be that I think a 25 inch transom would have been better due to the heavier weight of our new engines.
If I bought one of these new 17's I'd put on a 125 Optimax.......but that's just me.
Mel Wallace posted 06-14-2010 08:48 AM ET (US)
I haven't been able to find a price. Does someone have the details?
Jefecinco posted 06-14-2010 09:24 AM ET (US)
I just read a thread on this new boat on another popular boating web site.
I was amazed by the large number of vitriolic comments from the "Whaler Bashers" on that site. "Whaler Envy" is alive and well. Some of the negative comments are pretty outlandish and childish.
The new 170 Super Sport is not the only Whaler these people bash. They seem to hate Whalers and their owners equally. In fairness, some say they admire the older more utilitarian Whaler models but they wouldn't be seen in a new one.
Butch
WisED posted 06-14-2010 09:34 AM ET (US)
Jefecinco, I know there is a lot of Whaler envy out there on cybrspace, however on the docks my conquest only gets accolades, its almost embarrasing. The only thing I've owned that grabs more positive attention is my Honda s2000 :)
sosmerc posted 06-14-2010 10:32 AM ET (US)
You are a man of good taste.......
I view the new Supersports as being sort of akin to an s2000.
:)

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Author	Topic: 170 SUPER SPORT
Jpar	posted 05-26-2010 09:28 AM ET (US) [There is] information on new model coming soon at http://www.bemarine.com/content.asp?nav=146833&cpid=34393&
Kelry	posted 05-26-2010 10:43 PM ET (US) Nice boat. That looks sport and utility minded. If they could only make the bench seat more comfortable but I like it.
Portola	posted 05-26-2010 11:48 PM ET (US) Boston Whaler could use a little more finesse in their product introductions. Their web site lists models that are no longer in production, but makes no mention of stuff that dealers are already promoting. Maybe they could sign up for lessons from Apple.
frontier	posted 05-27-2010 12:59 AM ET (US) How about the iWhaler?
ofmiceandmenemsha	posted 05-27-2010 10:44 AM ET (US) I am sure that [Boston Whaler] is moving to a new website shortly and that they don't want to make any changes to the old site as it lists products which may still be available in a dealer inventory.
Jkcam	posted 06-02-2010 07:44 PM ET (US) MarineMax in Stuart, Florida has a new 170 SUPER SPORT on their floor. Very nice, the bow down dip makes it look speedy. I doubt it will be a big seller, Sport 17's never were. But nice.
ofmiceandmenemsha	posted 06-04-2010 09:19 AM ET (US) Per http://brunswick.com/news/newsstories/marine.php Check out www.thenewlegend.com
frontier	posted 06-04-2010 10:36 AM ET (US) That is a very nice looking boat. Interesting stern light set up. OK, Before I'm corrected - the "White All-Round Pole Light" is an interesting set up.:)
number9	posted 06-04-2010 03:19 PM ET (US) Noticed a couple of strange things on their link to the 170 SS spec and performance sheets. http://www.thenewlegend.com/170SS_Spec_and_Performance_Sheets.pdf Stated weight capacity is 970 pounds? Fuel consumption with 90hp is half of 60hp? Suspect new corrected sheets will be out soon or BW will sell few of these boats.
onlyawhaler	posted 06-04-2010 05:43 PM ET (US) Take a look at the new 170 Super Sport on [www.thenewlegend.com] website. [The www.thenewlegend.com website] has a video [linked from] the front page that is worth watching. Among other things [the new Boston Whaler 170 SUPER SPORT] has an arch for pulling with bimini and a 90-HP Mercury that will propel it to 47-MPH pretty fast. That would keep with with my 20 Outrage with a 225. Nice clean look. I would love to have one of these down at Lake Powell behind the houseboat for canyon hopping. I think Whaler will sell a lot of these. Looks like a fun boat. Onlyawhaler
jimh	posted 06-05-2010 10:03 AM ET (US) The reported fuel mileage of over 8-MPG is impressive.
boatdryver	posted 06-05-2010 10:19 AM ET (US) This 170 Super Sport is a pretty radical departure from any design I've seen from Boston Whaler perhaps since the Rage. I hope they sell a lot of these. I want Boston Whaler to be around forever. JimL
chuck21401	posted 06-05-2010 11:15 PM ET (US) The spec sheet lists the prop as: "Prop: 13 1/4” x 21” Laser II" I don't see such a prop on the Mercury webpage. I see 13 1/2 X 21" but not 13 1/4 X 21". I wonder if the spec sheet is a misprint or if there is a new prop from Merc?
WT	posted 06-05-2010 11:28 PM ET (US) The 170 Sport with the 60 hp motor gets 4+ mpg and the 90 hp motor gets 8+ mpg. Goes to show that under-powering a Whaler can cost you in mpg. Warren
onlyawhaler	posted 06-06-2010 02:18 PM ET (US) There is a good video of this boat right on the landing page of boston whaler. With the 90hp Merc, stainless prop, wakeboard tower and 47 miles per hour I agree with boating magazine, Whaler hit it on the mark. Looks like a great fun little boat, classic not, but still great Onlyawhaler
number9	posted 06-08-2010 12:47 PM ET (US) BW has managed to correct the spec sheet to show a 1570lb. capacity versus their originally linked sheet that indicated only 970lbs. Still find it difficult to believe the mpg differences on their performance sheets and believe they will also be corrected one of these days.
ofmiceandmenemsha	posted 06-08-2010 02:21 PM ET (US) i can confirm that the performance data(fuel consumption) listed on the site on the 60 vs the 90 (at optimal cruise) is correct.
number9	posted 06-09-2010 05:33 AM ET (US) quote: i can confirm that the performance data(fuel consumption) listed on the site on the 60 vs the 90 (at optimal cruise) is correct. ofmiceandmenemsha, If serious, would you mind sharing with us how you were able to confirm the performance data you mention. There is a popular notion that fuel consumption may be lower with an increase of horsepower in some applications. In some boat/motor combination's there may be a modest increase in fuel efficiency but not the extreme differences presented by BW in the performance data for the new 170SS.
Dauntless 180	posted 06-09-2010 07:11 AM ET (US) I guess I don't get their market. Younger families? All the young families I know who own a boat own a bow rider for 10K less. Nice looking boat though.
ConB	posted 06-09-2010 12:02 PM ET (US) I think that there will be 17 Super Sports purchased and keep at summer cottages for kids and grand kids to do the water sport stuff. They could fish out of it. It's a real boat compared to the jet boats that seem to me to be more trouble than they are worth. Con
bluewaterpirate	posted 06-09-2010 12:30 PM ET (US) Stopped by Marine Max Monday .... they had two both sold with another three backed ordered. This model will be hit with the younger generation for sure. Had a nice fit and finish. The two that were sold had the optinal 19 gallon fuel tank ..... with this option it will have good legs. Tom
Dauntless 180	posted 06-09-2010 01:26 PM ET (US) Is the optional tank the made by Moeler
L H G	posted 06-09-2010 02:47 PM ET (US) The performance and fuel economy of that Merc 90 L4NA (in-Line, 4 cylinder, Naturally Aspirated) is impressive. At over 47 MPH on this boat, it's got to be the most powerful 90 on the market. Much smaller and lighter Classic Montauks with another brand of new 90 only do about 42 MPH. The boat itself looks more like a Sea Ray than a Whaler.
ofmiceandmenemsha	posted 06-09-2010 02:55 PM ET (US) number9, with out revealing my sources, i have very intimate knowledge of both Boston Whaler, its marketing activities and other items concerning the post-classic Whaler brand.
Nauti Tauk	posted 06-09-2010 04:18 PM ET (US) why the cloak and dagger mystery about where you get your information? I don't get it.
jimh	posted 06-09-2010 04:25 PM ET (US) Everyone loves a good mystery. Boston Whaler performance data has generally been quite reliable. I'd tend to believe their numbers.
ofmiceandmenemsha	posted 06-09-2010 05:24 PM ET (US) you know the people listed as "a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because..."? consider that me. while i cant speak on behalf of the factory, i can help answer smaller questions about SOME items.
rslsail	posted 06-09-2010 06:04 PM ET (US) Its been my observation that most folks on this website are quite skeptical. I've seen threads go on for what seems like miles debating the slightest performance gains claimed by raising an engine or changing a prop. Yet here it is claimed that both engine horsepower has been increased by 50% and fuel consumption has been decreased by 50% along with outstanding performance and it just seems to be taken as Gospel. If these claims are true, I think the engineers who pulled that off should probably see what they can do about that nasty oil leak we've all heard so much about.
number9	posted 06-10-2010 12:30 AM ET (US) BW and Mercury performance reports have been fairly reliable in my opinion too. My thoughts are that there must be a information flow/marketing/proof reading problems with the 170SS introduction. Then a little research was conducted on my part to support my thinking. The Maximum Weight Capacity error, 970lbs. versus the revised 1570 lbs. obviously was one example they fixed. To support the probable fuel consumption discrepancy you only need to look at the 130SS Performance Data. Using the same 60hp motor with a test weight of only 140lbs. less it's claimed to get 10mpg versus the 4.21mph at 4000rpm. ` Maybe they slapped on a leftover 2005 TwoStroke 60 BF, it doesn't specifically state FourStroke? Does the hull factor of a planning hull normally change from 186 to 222?
chuck21401	posted 06-10-2010 11:16 PM ET (US) Whaler needs to offer this boat with the 115HP engine. I'd be tempted to trade in my 170 Montauk. ;) Chuck
muskrat	posted 06-13-2010 09:45 AM ET (US) Am I the only one who thinks this boat looks ugly and unsafe. I hate to see Whaler drift so far from their classic strong, safe, multiple use design with simple lines. This super sport line might be a good pond hopper for kids but I think Whaler should leave that market to Seadoo and other toy boat companies. I just hope I don't pull up next to a super sport at the beach because because I think my Nantucket would be embarrassed to be related to it.
wood duck	posted 06-13-2010 12:24 PM ET (US) Muskrat, a company can retain its core products, principles, and values and still introduce an offering that will appeal to a different customer group. Whether one considers the boat ugly is a minor issue. I see no evidence that this boat is compromised, unsafe, sinkable, or constructed with inferior products compared to any other current Boston Whaler boat. I hope BW sells alot of these boats and that they will contribute to corporate profitability and dealer financial stability.
muskrat	posted 06-13-2010 02:56 PM ET (US) wood duck, In my opinion the super sport is an extreme example of the changes I've noticed throughout the Whaler line in the last ten or so years. It used to be I'd recognize a Whaler from a mile away, now I have to get close enough to read the logo. Pretty soon you'll be able to order a Whaler with a color scheme to match your wife's favorite bikini, and cup holders every six inches and a bow that tapers so low to the water you won't know which way is up. While old Whalers look good hitched to a muddy Land Rover, newer ones might look better safely in the driveway next to a shiny red corvette. This has been a lot of fake exaggerated anger, I actually love my cup holders. I still consider Boston Whaler boats second to none but I hope in twenty years they still sell a boat designed for kids, dogs, mud, fish blood and six foot breakers.
muskrat	posted 06-13-2010 03:13 PM ET (US) ...Oh and fat guys..because I have fat friends.
WT	posted 06-13-2010 03:22 PM ET (US) Boston Whaler is evolving and adapting to today's environment. If Boston Whaler could make money selling classic Montauks, classic Outrages and banana hull Whalers, I believe they would.
jimh	posted 06-13-2010 06:57 PM ET (US) We were enjoying a drink before dinner at the wonderful BLUEBIRD restaurant in Leland, Michigan--one of the most picturesque little towns in all of the Great Lakes and perhaps in all of America--when I looked up to see a new Boston Whaler SUPER SPORT boat coming along the waterway. It made a U-turn before it got to us, but I am certain it was a Boston Whaler new SUPER SPORT. It was really quite easy to recognize.
sosmerc	posted 06-13-2010 07:59 PM ET (US) I think the new 17 super sport will definitely have ready market. My only gripe would be that I think a 25 inch transom would have been better due to the heavier weight of our new engines. If I bought one of these new 17's I'd put on a 125 Optimax.......but that's just me.
Mel Wallace	posted 06-14-2010 08:48 AM ET (US) I haven't been able to find a price. Does someone have the details?
Jefecinco	posted 06-14-2010 09:24 AM ET (US) I just read a thread on this new boat on another popular boating web site. I was amazed by the large number of vitriolic comments from the "Whaler Bashers" on that site. "Whaler Envy" is alive and well. Some of the negative comments are pretty outlandish and childish. The new 170 Super Sport is not the only Whaler these people bash. They seem to hate Whalers and their owners equally. In fairness, some say they admire the older more utilitarian Whaler models but they wouldn't be seen in a new one. Butch
WisED	posted 06-14-2010 09:34 AM ET (US) Jefecinco, I know there is a lot of Whaler envy out there on cybrspace, however on the docks my conquest only gets accolades, its almost embarrasing. The only thing I've owned that grabs more positive attention is my Honda s2000 :)
sosmerc	posted 06-14-2010 10:32 AM ET (US) You are a man of good taste....... I view the new Supersports as being sort of akin to an s2000. :)