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SantaMonicaWhaler posted 11-14-2010 06:20 PM ET (US)
I am looking at purchasing a 240 Outrage with a 250 Verado. I was looking for some feedback on whether the 250 Verado had sufficient power for the boat. I have heard from multiple people that the 225 (non Verado) is insufficient. Any feedback would be useful.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
SJUAE posted 11-15-2010 04:45 PM ET (US)
I looked at the 2006 spec and the 225 OptiMax is minimum I would not of thought the 250 Verado would be a whole lot better unless your running light
My 210 is fine with a 200 and would be exceptional with a 225 your 240 is a lot bigger and heavier and is more suited to twins IMO or the bigger Verado 275/300hp at least.
Regards
Steve
SJUAE posted 11-15-2010 04:55 PM ET (US)
Have a look here
http://web.archive.org/web/20061109043620/www.whaler.com/Rec/pdfs/ 240OutrageEng.pdf
If you don't want twins then I would say 275 min
Regards
Steve
SantaMonicaWhaler posted 11-15-2010 06:25 PM ET (US)
Steve
Thanks for the input. I was having some concern regarding a 250 Verado. It really is a heavy boat and it does seem, in general, that you need to be at the max or close the max horsepower on the more modern whalers.
jimh posted 11-15-2010 11:02 PM ET (US)
Steve--You did a great job finding that archive of the 2004 test report. I was looking for that this morning, but couldn't come up with the link.
The test report for the 250-HP Verado was using the three-blade MIRAGEplus propeller in 15-inch pitch. I think in 2004 that was about the only propeller in the Mercury propeller line that was suitable. To help these single-engine VERADO installation on bigger boats Mercury Marine began to make some of their other propellers in lower pitches, such as the REVOLUTION4 in 15-pitch. Those low-pitch propellers were useful on these single-engine VERADO set ups.
Mark has made a proper observation--on the newer Boston Whaler boats the range between minimum necessary power and maximum permitted power has shrunk to a relatively narrow window.
In looking at the test data, what seems crucial is the speed you can run with the single engine and get peak fuel economy. It looks like 26-MPH is the peak of MPG. If this speed is a reasonable speed for the boat to operate, then we next look to see where the engine is running. In this case, a VERADO runs about 4,000-RPM. That is a decent cruising speed. The engine redlines over 6,000-RPM, so at 4,000-RPM we are still in the 66-percent throttle range, which I would consider still in the cruise mode.
SJUAE posted 11-16-2010 01:21 AM ET (US)
Jim
Your right the 250 looks ok when loaded light as they have droped to a lower prop so cruise, speed and economy look similar to the 275, time to plane is up but top end is much lower.
The small twin setups are of course suffering weight, economy and extra drag penalty vs the added safety and fun of a twins.
My concern for SantaMonicaWhaler is once he loads this boat up with normal gear and crew the 250 will run out of grunt and prop choice will be limited further and likely to see another 5mph drop in top speed to be able to stay on plane at 3500-4000rpm with a four blade prop.
The 275/300 is more likely to give a better range of prop options once SantamonicaWhaler decides on his setup and intended use
Aiming towards the max HP is not all about top speed it's the loading and cruise speed you can choose to suit your preferences by prop selection, choosing at the lower HP range can severely limit you options.
Regards
Steve
SantaMonicaWhaler posted 11-16-2010 02:58 PM ET (US)
Jim and Steve -- thanks very much for your help on this matter. I initially posted the question because I was a little concerned with the 250 HP, with as Steve said, a fuel tank of fuel and crew in the boat. Jim, you have a great point regarding 26 mph at 4000 rpm being the peak MPG, which is a real concern these days.
Steve, you are absolutely right that I am not concerned about top speed so much as loading/cruising speed. The only problem is that it appears the 250 HP Verado option was by far the most popular choice, since almost all used 240 Outrage's come so equipped.
Thanks again everyone. After selling my 18' Dauntless 2 years ago, I am very much looking forward to getting back out on the water -- in a Whaler of course.
Mark

SJUAE posted 11-16-2010 05:24 PM ET (US)
I wonder if that's a clue or coincidence that there are more single used 250's available.
We need an honest answer from an ex 240 owner :)
SMW what year are you considering as an engine trade in may be an option
I would love to import one of those blank and put twin Etec 175's on :)
Regards
Steve
Peter posted 11-17-2010 11:30 AM ET (US)
I think the 240 Outrage needs twins. I've seen one in our region with a 225 Optimax which seemed like it took forever to get on plane and then once on plane looked like it was dragging the stern through the water (not enough stern lift from a single propeller).
diveorfish posted 11-17-2010 12:13 PM ET (US)
As with all newer Whalers, they are all bigger boats than their length implies. The 240 Outrage is no exception, it is a big 24 footer. That being said, a single 250hp motor is barely adequate. With a T-top, loaded up with full fluids, gear and four passengers, that single 250 will be taxed for sure and do exactly what Peter said. Furthermore, it will always have to run at high RPMs just to cruise at a slow speed. That boat needs a minimum of 300hp and could probably use another 50hp. Twin 175’s would be perfect.
If you are going to spend the money on 240 Outrage, get one with the right amount of power. If you scrimp on the power you’ll be sorry very quickly.
Also, just because a boat is rigged with a certain engine combination doesn’t mean it’s right. Whaler dealers often order underpowered boats to keep the price in the realm of sanity. One day I was at my dealer and saw a brand new 255 conquest rigged with twin 115 Suzuki’s, which are 4 strokes to boot. I couldn’t believe it. I asked the salesman: how could you sell such an underpowered boat with a clear conscious, is this a Bayliner shop now? He didn’t answer me.
SantaMonicaWhaler posted 11-17-2010 02:31 PM ET (US)
I think all of your points are right -- it is better to keep looking for the right boat/power combination. The one I was looking at is a 2005 240, with a 250 Verado (less than 200 hours).
bluewaterpirate posted 11-17-2010 02:54 PM ET (US)
A friend of mine bought this one two years ago ... got a good deal. With a full tank of fuel 150 gallons, three fisherman, and associated fishing gear it runs 33 at 4500 rpms. I would never consider buying this boat with a single 250.
http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/2160360_2325720#imageID=31031219
http://cdn-2-service.phanfare.com/images/4892322_2160360_31031233_Web_3/ Image-4892322-31031233-2-Web_0_bdf5d5dd83988c3c1721b4129f8a79ab_1
http://cdn-2-service.phanfare.com/images/4892322_2160360_31031361_Web_3/ Image-4892322-31031361-2-Web_0_e3295d65d6e598d98cf31a8a28228cde_1
Tom
SantaMonicaWhaler posted 11-17-2010 05:22 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the photos -- great looking boats and that was a great deal on the 240. It looks like he bought it with twin 150HP Verados. If you know, is he happy with that configuration?
bluewaterpirate posted 11-17-2010 05:53 PM ET (US)
Absolutely happy ..... great package!
SJUAE posted 11-20-2010 05:11 AM ET (US)
It would be a tough call as it,s nice to have twins 150 but the single 275 will be 2.5 gph better and a lot less maintenance etc
If the 250 2005 boat you looked at was fully loaded (as don't even think of post installing options from Whaler) then with a good trade in for the 250 would give some great options on the new Yamaha's 275-350 :)
I noticed there was an option for a GRP hard top I would defiantly look for one of these as full curtains are an easy option and can extend your boating season
Regards
Steve
SantaMonicaWhaler posted 03-02-2011 05:38 PM ET (US)
After another test run and after listening to the extremely helpful feedback from this forum, I held off on the 240 outrage with a single 250 Verado and just completed the purchase of a 240 outrage with twin 150 Verados. Thanks to everyone for their feedback.
Having completed the purchase, I took some time to reflect on how I decided on another Boston Whaler. While everyone who reads this board certainly understands the upside of a Whaler purchase, I also concluded that my decision was somewhat irrational. By that, I am referring to the draw of the Whaler brand, which I am sure is tied to my childhood spent with a 13' classic whaler and watching "Flipper" on tv. There is probably more (such as the quality, re-sale value, etc.), but I can't figure it out yet.
In deciding to purchase the 240 Outrage, I tried to educate myself about other boats, even took a ride on some other recommended brands, but at the end of the day, I just could not draw myself away from a Whaler. Whatever (real or imagined) advantages these other models had, I found myself ignoring them or minimizing their worth. This same process occured when I purchased my 18 Dauntless a few years ago.
While I rarely post on this forum, I do read the forum religiously, and it appears that many if not most members of this forum are afflicted with a similar condition. What a testament to Whaler marketing and the Whaler brand. Obviously, I couldn't be happier with my purchase and I am looking forward to a number of years of fishing on this new to me boat.
Mark
SJUAE posted 03-03-2011 03:55 PM ET (US)
Mark
Congrats, before you disapear behind the scenes please post some pictures :)
Regards
Steve
SantaMonicaWhaler posted 03-03-2011 05:49 PM ET (US)
Here are a couple of photos -- I am unsure whether this will work since I have not posted photos before (although I did try and follow Jim's directions)
http://s1097.photobucket.com/albums/g344/markyoung11/
SJUAE posted 03-04-2011 01:03 AM ET (US)
Mark
Fully loaded :) BTW we have the same helm seat on my 210. Those extra grab rails on the T-Top are very nice, enjoy.
Regards
Steve
Robert V posted 03-04-2011 08:11 AM ET (US)
Mark,
That is a beautiful boat, I especially like the hardtop and electronics. A friend of mine had the same boat and loved it, even had the same power. Congrats on your new boat, hope you have many years of enjoyment and plenty of fish on your decks.
Robert

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Author	Topic: 240 Outrage and 250 Verado
SantaMonicaWhaler	posted 11-14-2010 06:20 PM ET (US) I am looking at purchasing a 240 Outrage with a 250 Verado. I was looking for some feedback on whether the 250 Verado had sufficient power for the boat. I have heard from multiple people that the 225 (non Verado) is insufficient. Any feedback would be useful. Thanks in advance, Mark
SJUAE	posted 11-15-2010 04:45 PM ET (US) I looked at the 2006 spec and the 225 OptiMax is minimum I would not of thought the 250 Verado would be a whole lot better unless your running light My 210 is fine with a 200 and would be exceptional with a 225 your 240 is a lot bigger and heavier and is more suited to twins IMO or the bigger Verado 275/300hp at least. Regards Steve
SJUAE	posted 11-15-2010 04:55 PM ET (US) Have a look here http://web.archive.org/web/20061109043620/www.whaler.com/Rec/pdfs/ 240OutrageEng.pdf If you don't want twins then I would say 275 min Regards Steve
SantaMonicaWhaler	posted 11-15-2010 06:25 PM ET (US) Steve Thanks for the input. I was having some concern regarding a 250 Verado. It really is a heavy boat and it does seem, in general, that you need to be at the max or close the max horsepower on the more modern whalers.
jimh	posted 11-15-2010 11:02 PM ET (US) Steve--You did a great job finding that archive of the 2004 test report. I was looking for that this morning, but couldn't come up with the link. The test report for the 250-HP Verado was using the three-blade MIRAGEplus propeller in 15-inch pitch. I think in 2004 that was about the only propeller in the Mercury propeller line that was suitable. To help these single-engine VERADO installation on bigger boats Mercury Marine began to make some of their other propellers in lower pitches, such as the REVOLUTION4 in 15-pitch. Those low-pitch propellers were useful on these single-engine VERADO set ups. Mark has made a proper observation--on the newer Boston Whaler boats the range between minimum necessary power and maximum permitted power has shrunk to a relatively narrow window. In looking at the test data, what seems crucial is the speed you can run with the single engine and get peak fuel economy. It looks like 26-MPH is the peak of MPG. If this speed is a reasonable speed for the boat to operate, then we next look to see where the engine is running. In this case, a VERADO runs about 4,000-RPM. That is a decent cruising speed. The engine redlines over 6,000-RPM, so at 4,000-RPM we are still in the 66-percent throttle range, which I would consider still in the cruise mode.
SJUAE	posted 11-16-2010 01:21 AM ET (US) Jim Your right the 250 looks ok when loaded light as they have droped to a lower prop so cruise, speed and economy look similar to the 275, time to plane is up but top end is much lower. The small twin setups are of course suffering weight, economy and extra drag penalty vs the added safety and fun of a twins. My concern for SantaMonicaWhaler is once he loads this boat up with normal gear and crew the 250 will run out of grunt and prop choice will be limited further and likely to see another 5mph drop in top speed to be able to stay on plane at 3500-4000rpm with a four blade prop. The 275/300 is more likely to give a better range of prop options once SantamonicaWhaler decides on his setup and intended use Aiming towards the max HP is not all about top speed it's the loading and cruise speed you can choose to suit your preferences by prop selection, choosing at the lower HP range can severely limit you options. Regards Steve
SantaMonicaWhaler	posted 11-16-2010 02:58 PM ET (US) Jim and Steve -- thanks very much for your help on this matter. I initially posted the question because I was a little concerned with the 250 HP, with as Steve said, a fuel tank of fuel and crew in the boat. Jim, you have a great point regarding 26 mph at 4000 rpm being the peak MPG, which is a real concern these days. Steve, you are absolutely right that I am not concerned about top speed so much as loading/cruising speed. The only problem is that it appears the 250 HP Verado option was by far the most popular choice, since almost all used 240 Outrage's come so equipped. Thanks again everyone. After selling my 18' Dauntless 2 years ago, I am very much looking forward to getting back out on the water -- in a Whaler of course. Mark
SJUAE	posted 11-16-2010 05:24 PM ET (US) I wonder if that's a clue or coincidence that there are more single used 250's available. We need an honest answer from an ex 240 owner :) SMW what year are you considering as an engine trade in may be an option I would love to import one of those blank and put twin Etec 175's on :) Regards Steve
Peter	posted 11-17-2010 11:30 AM ET (US) I think the 240 Outrage needs twins. I've seen one in our region with a 225 Optimax which seemed like it took forever to get on plane and then once on plane looked like it was dragging the stern through the water (not enough stern lift from a single propeller).
diveorfish	posted 11-17-2010 12:13 PM ET (US) As with all newer Whalers, they are all bigger boats than their length implies. The 240 Outrage is no exception, it is a big 24 footer. That being said, a single 250hp motor is barely adequate. With a T-top, loaded up with full fluids, gear and four passengers, that single 250 will be taxed for sure and do exactly what Peter said. Furthermore, it will always have to run at high RPMs just to cruise at a slow speed. That boat needs a minimum of 300hp and could probably use another 50hp. Twin 175’s would be perfect. If you are going to spend the money on 240 Outrage, get one with the right amount of power. If you scrimp on the power you’ll be sorry very quickly. Also, just because a boat is rigged with a certain engine combination doesn’t mean it’s right. Whaler dealers often order underpowered boats to keep the price in the realm of sanity. One day I was at my dealer and saw a brand new 255 conquest rigged with twin 115 Suzuki’s, which are 4 strokes to boot. I couldn’t believe it. I asked the salesman: how could you sell such an underpowered boat with a clear conscious, is this a Bayliner shop now? He didn’t answer me.
SantaMonicaWhaler	posted 11-17-2010 02:31 PM ET (US) I think all of your points are right -- it is better to keep looking for the right boat/power combination. The one I was looking at is a 2005 240, with a 250 Verado (less than 200 hours).
bluewaterpirate	posted 11-17-2010 02:54 PM ET (US) A friend of mine bought this one two years ago ... got a good deal. With a full tank of fuel 150 gallons, three fisherman, and associated fishing gear it runs 33 at 4500 rpms. I would never consider buying this boat with a single 250. http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/2160360_2325720#imageID=31031219 http://cdn-2-service.phanfare.com/images/4892322_2160360_31031233_Web_3/ Image-4892322-31031233-2-Web_0_bdf5d5dd83988c3c1721b4129f8a79ab_1 http://cdn-2-service.phanfare.com/images/4892322_2160360_31031361_Web_3/ Image-4892322-31031361-2-Web_0_e3295d65d6e598d98cf31a8a28228cde_1 Tom
SantaMonicaWhaler	posted 11-17-2010 05:22 PM ET (US) Thanks for the photos -- great looking boats and that was a great deal on the 240. It looks like he bought it with twin 150HP Verados. If you know, is he happy with that configuration?
bluewaterpirate	posted 11-17-2010 05:53 PM ET (US) Absolutely happy ..... great package!
SJUAE	posted 11-20-2010 05:11 AM ET (US) It would be a tough call as it,s nice to have twins 150 but the single 275 will be 2.5 gph better and a lot less maintenance etc If the 250 2005 boat you looked at was fully loaded (as don't even think of post installing options from Whaler) then with a good trade in for the 250 would give some great options on the new Yamaha's 275-350 :) I noticed there was an option for a GRP hard top I would defiantly look for one of these as full curtains are an easy option and can extend your boating season Regards Steve
SantaMonicaWhaler	posted 03-02-2011 05:38 PM ET (US) After another test run and after listening to the extremely helpful feedback from this forum, I held off on the 240 outrage with a single 250 Verado and just completed the purchase of a 240 outrage with twin 150 Verados. Thanks to everyone for their feedback. Having completed the purchase, I took some time to reflect on how I decided on another Boston Whaler. While everyone who reads this board certainly understands the upside of a Whaler purchase, I also concluded that my decision was somewhat irrational. By that, I am referring to the draw of the Whaler brand, which I am sure is tied to my childhood spent with a 13' classic whaler and watching "Flipper" on tv. There is probably more (such as the quality, re-sale value, etc.), but I can't figure it out yet. In deciding to purchase the 240 Outrage, I tried to educate myself about other boats, even took a ride on some other recommended brands, but at the end of the day, I just could not draw myself away from a Whaler. Whatever (real or imagined) advantages these other models had, I found myself ignoring them or minimizing their worth. This same process occured when I purchased my 18 Dauntless a few years ago. While I rarely post on this forum, I do read the forum religiously, and it appears that many if not most members of this forum are afflicted with a similar condition. What a testament to Whaler marketing and the Whaler brand. Obviously, I couldn't be happier with my purchase and I am looking forward to a number of years of fishing on this new to me boat. Mark
SJUAE	posted 03-03-2011 03:55 PM ET (US) Mark Congrats, before you disapear behind the scenes please post some pictures :) Regards Steve
SantaMonicaWhaler	posted 03-03-2011 05:49 PM ET (US) Here are a couple of photos -- I am unsure whether this will work since I have not posted photos before (although I did try and follow Jim's directions) http://s1097.photobucket.com/albums/g344/markyoung11/
SJUAE	posted 03-04-2011 01:03 AM ET (US) Mark Fully loaded :) BTW we have the same helm seat on my 210. Those extra grab rails on the T-Top are very nice, enjoy. Regards Steve
Robert V	posted 03-04-2011 08:11 AM ET (US) Mark, That is a beautiful boat, I especially like the hardtop and electronics. A friend of mine had the same boat and loved it, even had the same power. Congrats on your new boat, hope you have many years of enjoyment and plenty of fish on your decks. Robert