Moderated Discussion Areas
ContinuousWave: Post-Classic Whalers
190 Montauk New Boat Non-OEM Accessories
|Author||Topic: 190 Montauk New Boat Non-OEM Accessories|
posted 08-11-2013 02:08 PM ET (US)
Hello all. I am getting close to purchasing a 2014 190 Montauk. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on any custom non factory options or accessories to think about?
I am considering adding seat cushions on the two rear seats. And also maybe two bow cleats if needed?
Any other ideas? Or any suggestions on any needed accessories? First boat, so starting from scratch.
posted 08-12-2013 07:02 AM ET (US)
Lancer, I purchased the front sundeck option and the rear seat cushion when I bought my 190 in 2008. Truth is I have never used the rear seating option.
My only complaint is that I hate the baitwell it takes up to much rear space but I had no choice when I bought it. I am pretty sure you can buy it now without it.
One other suggestion don't buy it with the 115 get the max which I think is the 150, it will haunt you as it did me until I was able to sell it and install a 150 one year later.
Other then that its one hell of a boat!
posted 08-12-2013 07:52 AM ET (US)
Neighbor has one with 115 hp. Claims it's perfectly adequate - and I see him with lots of people on the boat frequently. I can also see them plane off as they have to cross in front of my house and it looks adequate.
It comes down to the definition of "adequate".
posted 08-12-2013 09:31 AM ET (US)
As another 190 owner I agree with Fred. The 115 is merely adequate whereas the 150 allows for a wider range of activities without compromise. When it is time to sell your 190 it will probably sell more easily with a 150.
posted 08-12-2013 10:01 AM ET (US)
Let put it this way guy's. Previous to my 190 I had a Montauk 17 (1998)which I bought new with a Johnson 90. That boat flew and it really felt like a high powered jet ski.
10 years later I bought the 190, first time I took it out with my wife and two adults I almost cried, it was lacking the pep I had with the 17. After spending 40 grand I had to settle for this type of performance? No way!
Every time I took her out I would just boil inside (by the way I'm 62 and not a speed freak nor do I ski)so I bit the bullet till I was able to sell the Merc and put a 150 E-Tec on the back. Instant happiness. Performance up to par and also got rid of the vibration that the Merc was causing to my baitwell hatch.
Now I'm a happy camper, but if I could only get rid of the baitwell. Ah well a perfect boat is hard to come by!
posted 08-12-2013 11:22 AM ET (US)
I knew the motor would come up! Problem is, I am just at my spending limit with the 115. But, here is my situation:
60% of time, just myself and 3 year old son on boat
Do not plan on doing any water skiing, may start pulling son on a tube once he is older, but,
In 5 years plan on selling and upgrading to the 21 foot or larger.
I know the 150 will sell better, but I am hoping on a first time buyer who is ok with the 115.
But, comes down to $. Just dont have the extra 4 grand.
This is my first boat, so hoping I will not notice the lack of power. Just will be happy to finally be on the water.
posted 08-12-2013 11:50 AM ET (US)
Lancer, your right if this is your first you might not notice the lack of proper power.
Try to trial run some boats with different power types to get a feel of the situation. I know 4 grand is a lot of money but think of the investment your making. I had the same problem, once I tried the boat after I bought it I would have gladly robbed a bank to come up with the extra 4!
Anyway you go, best of luck, keep us posted on your adventure!
posted 08-12-2013 06:38 PM ET (US)
The sun lounge cushions on the bow are great for the kids; bring a big golf umbrella to shade them during nap time. More cleats on the bow are unnecessary as there's one forward of the anchor well.
A portable toilet comes in handy, esp. during the potty training years.
A bimini top is nice on sunny days, but does interfere with fishing and interferes with the rod holders in front of the console.
I added plastic rod racks on the port side gunnel.
The two rear seats are never used for seating as they're in an awkward location next to the engine. It's a good spot to put an obedient dog. The seat above the live well directly in front of the engine and the RPS are the seats most often used while under way.
I have the 115 and it is indeed inadequate for skiing/tubing, but I really don't care as we mainly use the boat for fishing. The boat does not pop onto plane quickly with four people all behind the console. It is adequate for ocean use and you will love the fuel economy. I don't know whether a different (4 blade?) prop would help the boat plane more quickly and even make it adequate for water skiing.
This was our family's first boat besides a 12' aluminum, purchased at my wife's suggestion that it's 'safe for the kids' before we had any kids. This is a simply, reliable, safe, and easy to use piece of entertainment -congratulations on your purchase.
posted 08-12-2013 10:33 PM ET (US)
I raced offshore boats for years doing up to 150 mph. I have a 07 with a 115 which was the max for that year. Looking at your use % the 115 will be more than fine. 500 lb two big people it is fine. Kids weight nothing. 6 adults it will be slow but it will get the job done but that is only a small & of your use. Bimini top would be good to shield the kids although I usually use sun block on mine and leave the top at home. Can't really run hard with the top up in rough water but then you wouldn't want the kids flying out or getting pounded.
Did not know you could get seat cushions as an option for the two rear steps. I was told when I bought mine they did not meet Coast Guard requirements for seats due to no back.
Fuel consumption is good but the 150 would not be much worse at the same speed due to reduced rpm. Dealer should be able to take you for a ride in one with a 115.
I would not take it into big ocean water with the 115 with more than three adults where you do need to punch it at times to take off with a wave. I have played with mine in Jones Inlet Long Island in some big 6-8' cresting and breaking waves. I am alone as no one else likes the thrill of it.
Good solid boat believe me I have tested it and pounded out the motor mounts a few times. Hull is still flawless.
posted 08-13-2013 10:21 AM ET (US)
since your plan is to upgrade in 5 years, you might consider buying a used 190 Montauk with a 115 HP and suffer less depreciation.
posted 08-13-2013 07:13 PM ET (US)
Excellent suggestion. However it seems there are not too many 190 Montauks on the market. Those offered seem to be widely disbursed. Of course a little travel can save a lot of money.
posted 08-17-2013 08:42 AM ET (US)
Anyone have advice on where to store a boat hook?
posted 08-17-2013 10:04 AM ET (US)
I don't often have one aboard the 190 but when I do I keep it telescoped in it's shortest mode and store it in a rod holder.
When single handing I put the boat hook between the console rail and the console extended to a length that allows the hook to be over the windshield rail and the handle to rest on the deck. I suppose a Velcro strap would be a nice way to keep it more secure when underway.
Bungee cords and Velcro straps can have a lot of utility on a boat. I carry a couple of each in the RPS.
posted 08-17-2013 10:39 AM ET (US)
Used are out there... I miss out of this 2007 190 Montauk because I was traveling... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-Boston-Whaler-Montauk-/ 261255750032?_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT& forcev4exp=true
posted 08-19-2013 12:52 AM ET (US)
Lancer listen to what guys here are telling you . 115 is not enough power for 190. I knew I had one. if this is your first boat and budget is tight I would recomend you couple year old 190 outrage.You may be disapointed by Montauk moderate v hull that tend to pound and rock in choppy waters-outrage has deep v that takes waves much better and in my humble opinion is better boat-I i owned 190 outrage as well. Have 170 montauk and 210 outrage now-170 is mostly for mom and pop for a ride in the bay .if you realy want to do it right first time buy used 210 outrage -had over 20 whalers in my lifetime and this one is special-I personaly know 2 Boston Whaler dealers here in northeast who own 210 as their personal boat.You can find used 190 outrage between 20-25 K and used 210 outrage 25-35 K. Blowing 45 K for underpowered new 190 montauk as first boat maybe is not a greatest idea. i have never boat new Whaler but on the other note I have never lost money on any of my Whalers when time came to move on.Take this from a guy who know Whaler as only boat for last 40 years-Andrew
posted 08-19-2013 01:18 AM ET (US)
Just realized that you have small kids-Lancer Montauk is not small kid friendly boat-gunwales (side of the boat) are not tall and because boat will be bouncing you will constantly have to keep an eye on them -seating will be either right next to you on that flipp center console seat or that cooler seat in front of console-but no way on those 2 stern seats-outrage gunwales are higher-when I was on my 190 montauk and constantly had to tie myself to my 4 year old not to lose her overboard-
posted 08-21-2013 05:41 AM ET (US)
I wanted to weigh in on my experiences with the Montauk 190. I do not want to counter any of the previous comments, just offer mine.
I would have to vote for the larger power. I currently have a 135 on our rig and it is just perfect. Your family will get bigger quickly and having the power to pull all of them is ideal. I pull multiple tubers and wake boarders with the 135, usually with multiple passengers as “spotters” on the boat. I also have taken comfortably as many as 5 adults and 3 kids on rides where the 135 handles everything. This is not to say the 115 would not be appropriate, but the 135 (or 150) fits the bill.
In terms of comfort, this boat is more than adequate. I know there are many opinions out there (backed up with a lot of experience too), but I can tell you after about 100 hours of running around on Long Island Sound this season, this boat does just fine. I would NOT bring it out on rough days, but I would not do that either with a bigger boat. My favorite story related to comfort was the 10 mile ride I gave my 77 year old mom while riding on the live well seat (a very highly suggested modification). She did just fine and the seas were not exactly perfect that day.
Hope these thoughts help.
posted 08-22-2013 07:57 PM ET (US)
I bought a new 190 Montauk in June of this year after doing a lot of research and owning numerous other whalers. I ordered mine pretty loaded and have absolutely no second thoughts or regrets. I test drove an in stock 190 with a 115 on several occasions hoping it would satisfy me but unfortunately it never did so I popped for the 150 Verado. What a difference the engine made, not only for trolling but also the hole shot, top speed, quietness, fuel consumption and overall smoothness. Money was definitely an option but it didn't change my payment much and I didn't want to regret not getting certain options, especially on the engine considering how long I plan to own the boat. I had the bow filler/sun pad option on my previous 210 Outrage and it never got used so I didn't spend th money on it. I think I have pretty much every other option including the comfort package, fishing package, rear seat with backrest over the livewell, bimini top, rps & console covers, bow rail, fusion stereo, raymarine touch screen e7 GPS/plotter/fish finder, raymarine VHF radio and a matching "blue" full Sunbrella mooring/travel cover.
The only things I wish I could have gotten were a raw water wash down system and dual batteries/switch, both can be added but unfortunately the factory didn't offer those as options and I've already spent enough money.
If I were to do it over I would have had the dealer install (or do it myself) the fusion radio & two speakers and a VHF radio & antenna. After pricing out the exact same options I think I could have saved almost a grand!
posted 08-23-2013 01:09 AM ET (US)
Swab, the wash down is easy to install without any drilling through thr hull, you can stick the pump inside the compartment in front of the engine.
posted 08-23-2013 09:21 AM ET (US)
I've been considering the wash down for a couple of years. I've seldom had a use for one but on occasion it would have been useful for getting mud off the anchor and washing down the odd bit of blood, loose scales, etc.
I assume you tap into the live bait well through hull plumbing and can use the well pump to supply the wash down hose if you can get away with a slow flow rate. For a more powerful wash down system you would undoubtedly need to mount a dedicated pump in the space behind the aft bulkhead. Power for the pump would require wiring from the console unless it would be possible to splice into the bait well pump wiring. Dedicated wiring would be a better installation, I'm sure. Since the hose and nozzle would be stored behind the aft bulkhead that may be a good place to put the power switch for the pump.
Anyway, maybe this Winter along with the numerous other demands on my time.
posted 08-23-2013 01:14 PM ET (US)
Butch, I have the bait well but I don't have the plumbing so my wash down is completely separate. I have a Pro-Blaster pump wired to the console switches at the helm. I drilled just one 1/2 hole next to the rear hatch ran a 1/2 hose out of one of the rear scuppers used a PVC L and ran the hose right to the water. Used those stick on electrical wire holders to hold the hose in place.
Needless to say the wash down pump is under the rear hatch out of sight.
Next time I go to the boat I'll take some pictures if you want them.
posted 08-23-2013 03:46 PM ET (US)
Thanks. No need for pictures, I can visualize it perfectly.
Sounds like a good and simple installation.
posted 08-25-2013 06:59 AM ET (US)
Just wanted to say that I pulled the trigger on a 190 Montauk. I went with the 115, and used the saved money towards a boat lift to keep her nice and clean.
If anyone has any insider tips for me with this boat please let me know.
Very excited to be joining the Whaler community.
posted 08-25-2013 08:40 AM ET (US)
Best of luck with the new boat, if you have any questions just shoot us a note!
posted 01-02-2014 11:07 AM ET (US)
bait well pump and raw water washdown.
Viewing the whalerparts.com web site, It looks like you can remove the TSUNAMI bait pump and put in a TSUNAMI dual outlet pump. One side of the dual outlet is powered and the other isn't.
On the non powered side, connect it to your NEW raw water washdown pump. Then run the power wires to your dash. Install a switch or use a switch that is non used.
This will be one of my future projects.
posted 03-30-2014 07:02 PM ET (US)
Anyone recommend getting the dealer to install another battery for the 190?
posted 05-29-2014 12:17 AM ET (US)
I strictly fish so running flat out isn't on my high priority list.
With 3 to 4 guys fishing, cruising around 4000-4300 rpm (20 to 25 mph) with a 115hp is just fine for me.
Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.