Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

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Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby HALMISFIT » Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:16 pm

Recommend a Boston Whaler boat to buy to suit the criteria and comments below.

Give me comments on the criteria below.

Ask me further questions.

  • I am 41-years-old, weight 180-lbs, and I am in decent physical shape.
  • The boat will be used by me alone about half of the time. About 40-percent of the time a second adult will be aboard. And perhaps ten-percent of the use will be with a total of four adults aboard.
  • The boat will be used primarily for cruising the inland and coastal waters of Florida, exploring sandbars, and possible pulling a water sport tube.
  • I would prefer to be able to stow the boat in my garage, and be able to tow it to various launching ramp locations in Florida.
  • I like everything about the 150 Montauk except I feel [its size] may be too limited.
  • I'm open to the post-2018 170 Montauk or a c.2010 Dauntless.
  • I have driven the various sized Super Sports and prefer the center console of the Montauk and Dauntless.

ASIDE: I am a long-time reader, but now a new participant. In my time reading questions--and often humorous answers--from the learned participants, I have not been seen the answer to a question unique to me: What Boston Whaler boat should I get?

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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby jimh » Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:13 am

Based on your criteria and my experience, you should buy a classic era SUPER SPORT 15.

A SUPER SPORT 15 will:
  • fit in almost any garage
  • be able to be towed by almost any vehicle
  • has a wonderful hull design
  • easily accommodate two adults of average weight,
  • have very minimal draft and be easily put ashore on a sand bar, and
  • have reasonably comfortable seating for two with a nice backrest.

If you think a SUPER SPORT 15 is not large enough, then buy a 170 MONTAUK. If keeping the boat in your garage is essential, you should carefully measure the garage door height and be certain to get a trailer with a swing-tongue. Also, carefully assess the towing capacity of your vehicle, as many modern automobiles have very limited towing capacity, and a 170 MONTAUK may be too heavy to be towed properly.

You should not buy a boat that requires you to get a larger garage or a larger towing vehicle, unless you are willing to undertake those considerable expenses as part of the cost of boat ownership.

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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby Jefecinco » Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:18 am

A 160 Dauntless or Dauntless 16 could fit your requirements if it will fit in your garage. A swing-tongue trailer is very useful if storage space is a problem. A trailer can be easily converted to a swing-tongue trailer using a widely available kit. If a Dauntless is being considered I recommend it be equipped with a 115 HP engine. Most have a 90 HP engine which may be under powered for towing water toys.
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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby watereeswatson » Fri Mar 08, 2024 1:18 pm

jimh wrote:Based on your criteria and my experience, you should buy a classic era SUPER SPORT 15....


Jim is spot on, as usual. When you were describing your parameters the Classic 15 popped in my head immediately as well.

I recently went through this same exercise myself with a nearly identical criteria (except I weigh about 80-lbs more than you) and settled on a 1987 STRIPER 15, with a modified custom interior seating arrangement (as I have come to learn that most now are). It has a 1987 Yamaha 50-HP two-stroke=power-cycle engine that still runs well. Boat speed with my wife and I and two dogs is 34 to 36-MPH.

The STRIPER 15 has been great so far and performs all tasks from inshore fishing, comfortable cruising, fun speed, good handling, and easy beaching, all the while fitting in my standard-sized two-car garage where we can still park my wife's car next to it. I did have to install a folding tongue attachment to the trailer, but that went well and has not affected towing at all.

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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby Todd » Fri Mar 08, 2024 3:44 pm

A few years ago I bought a 2003 DAUNTLESS [16] with a Mercury 115 FOURSTROKE on a Continental trailer. When I got the boat there were only 73 hours on [an hourmeter]. The prior owner used it as a dinghy on his yacht. I use the DAUNTLESS 16 for inland lakes in Michigan as well as Lake Michigan when conditions permit. I keep the boat in my garage so I can work on it and save a few dollars in storage fees.

Here are my thoughts for your consideration:

The boat, motor, trailer when outfitted with coolers, 45 gallons of fuel, and other normal gear is quite heavy. My tow vehicle is a VW Atlas which weighs 4,600-lbs and has a towing capacity of 5,000-lbs. I would be very sure the vehicle you plan to tow the boat has the ability to handle the weight of your rig. I had a Audi Q5 before and the weight of my outfit pushed it around to the point of not feeling safe in certain circumstances.

I was careful to measure the total length of the trailer to engine making certain it fit in my garage. What I failed to do was measure the height of the boat when on the trailer: it exceeded the height of the entrance to my garage. I ended up splicing the center console railing that goes over the windshield and used stainless steel couplings with allen screws to quickly put it up and take it down to get into the garage. Not a big deal but it is something to consider if the boat you acquire has something similar.

Lastly, there are a fairly good supply of DAUNTLESS 16 boats on the market so you can find them to buy. They are built very solidly and I've found I can do most of the work on the boat in my garage myself. Last winter I re-did the seals, drained and refilled the hydraulic steering system. That cost me $175 in parts and fluid; the dealer wanted $1200 to do the job.

Hope these thoughts are of some value and best of luck in your search.

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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby Phil T » Fri Mar 08, 2024 8:37 pm

What is the size of your garage? A trailered 17-foot boat has a LOA of 21-feet.

Personally, the Outrage 17 I or II would be my choice. It is the best-handling 17-foot model.
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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby fno » Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:24 pm

First step is to ask yourself this question: Do I want to stand or sit while operating the boat?

Many small-Boston-Whaler-boat owners have migrated to a larger boat for that very reason. After a full day—and possibly in your 41-year-old case, a half a day—in a small skiff-type Boston Whaler will induce what is called "Whaler Butt", in which you can also include the upper and lower spine and legs. Even Boston Whaler acknowledges this in their marketing materials, as you almost always see youngsters and sometimes new younger families operating the smaller boats.

Also, I agree with Butch on the Dauntless 160. I had one, too, and it was great until I outgrew it.

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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby Yowiri » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:19 am

HALMISFIT wrote:Recommend a Boston Whaler boat to buy to suit the criteria and comments below.

Give me comments on the criteria below.

Ask me further questions.

  • I am 41-years-old, weight 180-lbs, and I am in decent physical shape.
  • The boat will be used by me alone about half of the time. About 40-percent of the time a second adult will be aboard. And perhaps ten-percent of the use will be with a total of four adults aboard.
  • The boat will be used primarily for cruising the inland and coastal waters of Florida, exploring sandbars, and possible pulling a water sport tube.
  • I would prefer to be able to stow the boat in my garage, and be able to tow it to various launching ramp locations in Florida.
  • I like everything about the 150 Montauk except I feel [its size] may be too limited.
  • I'm open to the post-2018 170 Montauk or a c.2010 Dauntless.
  • I have driven the various sized Super Sports and prefer the center console of the Montauk and Dauntless.

ASIDE: I am a long-time reader, but now a new participant. In my time reading questions--and often humorous answers--from the learned participants, I have not been seen the answer to a question unique to me: What Boston Whaler boat should I get?

I hope to get answers from [unclear three-letter acronym--please elaborate].



Honestly, from what you’re describing, the post-2018 170 Montauk sounds like a great match. It’s big enough to handle four adults without feeling cramped but still small enough to fit in a standard garage if you’ve got a swing-tongue trailer. Just make sure to measure the height of your garage door because that’s where people often get caught out

Towing shouldn’t be a problem with most mid-sized vehicles, but double-check your tow capacity before pulling the trigger. The 170 Montauk is versatile, easy to handle solo, and has enough power and space for tubing or cruising with friendstheglobesailor.com

If you’re considering a Dauntless, it’s another great option, especially the 160 or 16 models. Just make sure it has a 115 HP engine if you want to do water sports; the 90 HP versions can feel underpowered with a full load

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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby GoldenDaze » Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:11 pm

There are some great comments here already, so I don't know that I have that much to add but I won't let that stop me.

If you are looking for a new-ish boat (let's say 10 years or so):
  • the 170 Montauk is probably at the top of the list, it's easy for one person to handle and will handle four persons reasonably. For garage storage, trailer length will be iffy, as will the height of the console rail. Newer ones have an internal fuel tank, which I think is a big benefit. Boston Whaler has made a ton of these modelsso they're not hard to find. Prices of new ones are eye-watering, but so are the prices of other high-quality boats;
  • the 170 Dauntless was a relatively short-lived design and I've never seen one in person. It seems to be a slightly up-market compared to the 170 Montauk but the short production life suggests that buyers didn't find it worth the price difference. The garage size concerns are the same as for the 170 Montauk;
  • the 150 Montauk is a bigger and more capable boat than one might think, but since you've experienced it, enough said.

Looking back to middle-aged boat there are some really nice boats in the 10 to 20-year-old year range that can be found, and with a little care Boston Whaler boats age really well. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a well-maintained boat from this era, however, you will probably want to consider re-powering the boat if that hasn't already been done. Here are more choices:

  • the 160 Dauntless is an excellent boat, I had one for 21 years. It has essentially the same size questions as the 170 Montauk. I consider 115-HP to be necessary, especially with engines using a four=stroke=poewr-cycle. The 45-gallon fuel tank is huge.
  • - 170 Montauk boats from this era use portable fuel tanks which I consider to be a drawback, but I suppose you can easily fuel up "on the cheap" at a land based fuel vendor.
  • the newest classic Montauk 17 boats just fall into this range,=. I think their last year of production was 2002. I consider them a little less roomy than the replacement 170 Montauk, but still an excellent boat. This must be one of the most-produced boats ever, and they're easy to find. They were not really designed for heavy engines, particularly heavy four-stroke-power-cycle engines.
  • the 190 Nantucket or 190 Outrage (same boat, different names depending on year) is an excellent choice and combines great seakeeping ability with relatively long range and manageable size, but almost certainly both are too long and too high for even a spacious residential garage.

Going with older classic models of 25-years-old or more, the boats in the range are a mixed bag. There will still be some nice, well-maintained boats, but there will be many boats with a lot of wear and tear. You need to be much more concerned about soft decks, water intrusion, and transom integrity. Here are the choices:
  • the Sport 15 is a fun boat, but if you like to run the boat while standing or you want four adults to have any kind of comfort, I think this one is out.
  • the 17 Outrage II is a beast of a 17-foot boat. I've been aboard a few of them and they do not fail to impress, especially for their size. There were not nearly as many of these as some other models (like the 18 Outrage below) so it may be hard to find a nice one.
  • the classic 18 Outrage is also an extremely capable boat in its size range, but I think we're getting outside of the ability to store in your garage unless the garage is unusually large. Boston Whaler seemingly made a million of these so they're also easy to find.
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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby jimh » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:40 pm

The suggestions offered about what boat to buy are all good, but the initiator of this discussion has not logged-in for about 10-months, so I don't know if he has seen all of the thoughtful replies that have been made.

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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby GoldenDaze » Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:24 pm

Oh well, I enjoyed thinking about all those boats anyway. :-)
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Re: Recommend Suitable Boat for Multiple Criteria

Postby jimh » Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:25 am

Perhaps because I was just reading this thread over again yesterday, I awoke this morning after dreaming about being on a lake and operating my old 1976 SPORT 15. The SPORT 15 was my first Boston Whaler boat, and we had a lot of fun with it. Due to its size the SPORT 15 fit in the garage with ease. A regular sedan automobile could tow it because of the light weight. It was a very sporty boat and could also handle rough seas. I didn’t fully appreciate how great the SPORT 15 was while I owned it. But now being much older than I was in the 1990’s, I would appreciate more comfortable seating than a bare thwart seat can provide.