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Beaner posted 02-12-2003 02:18 PM ET (US)
I was ready to sign the papers for a 2003 Montauk but still concerned about storage space. Test drove the Montauk and it really handles well and is very stable. Trying to get a test ride on 175 Edgewater (lots of storage and internal fuel tank), but dealers marina is frozen. Can anyone comment on how this boat rides and whether or not I'm making too much of the lack of storage space on the Montauk? Thanks.
Bigshot posted 02-12-2003 02:39 PM ET (US)
No offense but 17' is 17'. I have a 20' Hydra-sports and there is not much storage in that either. Any kind of deck storage will get wet so storage is only good for anchors, ladders etc. If you want to keep stuff dry a console or cooler, etc is the only way. What I do is keep an extra cooler filled with stuff for when I need it. I just keep 2 or 3 lifejackets aboard, an anchor, horn, etc but the other cooler stores the extra anchor, rode, life jackets, rain gear, etc for when I am going offshore or extended cruising. I honestly think the new montauk is better than the edgewater, especially for the price. If you were looking at the older montauk at $25k+ then I would seriously consider the edgewater or scout.
GAwhale posted 02-12-2003 02:39 PM ET (US)
Hi Beaner. I can't answer your quetions.
How do the two boats compare in price? I would definitely wait til you can test drive the Edgewater. They look like great boats.
Consider the price of a real fuel tank in the total puechase price of you new Montauk. My 2001 Montauk came with two six gallon tanks (a very poor joke for such a fine boat).
jerseyron posted 02-12-2003 04:03 PM ET (US)
beaner... Went to the Atlantic City Boat Show this past weekend. Head is still spinning from all the comparing I did. End result was that the Scout offers more in the standard package (especially if you fish) than does whaler. Add to that,34 gallon fuel tank,(below deck), rod holders,pedestal seats,lockable electronics box,stern cleats,live well....All in all I think it's more bang for the buck. I know I'll take a whoopin for this on a BW site but I think that Whaler depends too much on their name instead of getting with the times. BTW, I have an 84 15'SS that I probably will keep but I want something bigger for when I go fishing with more than one other aboard.
Your decision will have to do with what you want the boat for,don't rush into it without weighing the pros and cons for your specific needs.
InHerNet posted 02-12-2003 08:38 PM ET (US)
Beaner-
Bigshot is right. The storage is a problem if you leave things in there for any amount of time. It will do nothing except collect mildew or everything is always damp.
The Montauk is a great boat. Lots of room for an additional storage gear bag or cooler. As far as the internal fuel tank goes, I have a Pate 27 gallon tank under the RPS and it has plenty of fuel for the whole day and some. I personally like to be able to go boating and then clean everything up in less than a hour. More is not always better, except for money.
Don
captbone posted 02-12-2003 08:51 PM ET (US)
Looks can be deceiving! A 17 montauk has alot more room than alot of 20 ft's that have a euro transom and pulpit in their LOA. The biger you get the more deceiving it gets. A 21 regulator has more usable space than a 24 outrage.
dspinosa posted 02-13-2003 03:55 PM ET (US)
i don't about the 17' edgwater but this past summer i took out the 247 edgewater and it handles great. i have a 71 outrage 21 and would consider getting the edgewater.
dan
whalermatt posted 02-13-2003 06:52 PM ET (US)
The post below has some more information for you...
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004325.html
Beaner posted 02-13-2003 09:10 PM ET (US)
Whalermatt,
I read the post and see you had a 175CC. I have heard that the Edgewater 175CC can be a little tippy when drifting and/or anchored. I would really like some storage, but lateral stability when not under power is my number one priority. How stable was your 175CC?
whalermatt posted 02-14-2003 03:42 PM ET (US)
The 175cc has a 7'3" beam - pretty beamy for its size and is has a 200lb wieght advantage to its hull. The new Montauk has a 6'10 beam. My 2000 175cc's hull rounded out in the stern - which gave a pretty stable ride. I do not know if they have changed the mold for 2003. I thought it was a very stable boat for its size. Have you gone to a dealer and looked one over? What purpose and water conditions are you planning to use it for?
Bob Dougherty's newest project - Everglades boats are hands down the most solid boats I've seen - I about broke my hand when I pounded on the side of one of the hulls. You might want to check it out while you are looking. It is not a traditional hull design, but it is designed to ride on a pocket of air...
http://www.evergladesboats.com/eg_180cc.html
whalermatt posted 02-14-2003 03:47 PM ET (US)
Sorry - I didn't answer your question about when not under power - I thought is was pretty stable. I think that the increased width in the beam may help. They also changed the fuel tanks, they are no longer 45, they now are 38gal.
http://www.ewboats.com/ewboats/175cc/specs.htm
http://www.bostonwhaler.com/Rec/spec_NEW_170_montauk.shtm
Beaner posted 02-14-2003 10:58 PM ET (US)
I will mostly be using the boat in bays and the Long Island Sound (which is usually 1' waves and under) fishing for fluke and stripers which will require alot of drifting w/ no power. I've heard some people complain about the Edgewater 175 being tippy compared to a Montauk. When drifting, there is nothing more annoying than being knocked around by everyone else's wake. I would hate to spend $10,000 more on a boat that would not give me pretty good stability. I really don't need the boat to handle rough conditions as I will not be going very far.
TRIDENT posted 02-19-2003 10:20 AM ET (US)
The Montauk is a superior boat, you could get some dry storage bags to keep your gear in. In 20 years the Montauk will still be going out fishing, the Edgewater????
BobShea posted 06-10-2005 04:40 PM ET (US)
Beaner,
Always have been a classic whaler guy. We just moved up from a 98 Anniversary Edition Whaler 13 to an Edgewater 175. We considered a Montauk (new and used) as well. We chose the Edgewater. We get a dry ride on Narragansett Bay. Not much storage on either boat.
The deciding factor for me. I'm a Bob Dougherty fan and I love the Yamaha 115.
where2 posted 06-11-2005 11:10 PM ET (US)
If the 17' Edgewater is anything like my father's 20' Edgewater (a 1997 model), you will love the ride of the boat. It's always been interesting to walk into a manufacturer's display at the Miami International Boat show and ask "Is the ride in your boat as dry as the ride in an Edgewater?" because the sales guys always ask "What kind of boat do you presently own?"
Before he bought the Edgewater, he took both a 20' Scout and the 20' Edgewater for sea trials. The Edgewater was hands down drier riding.
As for how Edgewater's hold up over time: I would not hesitate to take my father's 1997 Edgewater out in the Atlantic Ocean. My 1985 15' Boston Whaler is a perfect example of what a 20 year old whaler is like, and I don't hesitate to use the Whaler...
jimh posted 06-12-2005 07:28 AM ET (US)
[Thread revived after three years of dormancy.]
Freeport Alan posted 06-12-2005 10:50 AM ET (US)
I'm a Whaler owner & lover but if I was to suggest another 17 it would be a Duskey, this 17 comes woth a bracket set up, solid as a rock vessel.
Freeport Alan posted 06-12-2005 10:57 AM ET (US)
Correction, spelling is Dusky, just checked the website & the bracket models now seem to start with thier 19' ers but I'm pretty sure they built 17's with them or will if you ask.
This is a semi custom builder thats beed around for close to 40 years , great boats..
Dusky.com

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Author	Topic: 17 Montauk vs. 175 Edgewater
Beaner	posted 02-12-2003 02:18 PM ET (US) I was ready to sign the papers for a 2003 Montauk but still concerned about storage space. Test drove the Montauk and it really handles well and is very stable. Trying to get a test ride on 175 Edgewater (lots of storage and internal fuel tank), but dealers marina is frozen. Can anyone comment on how this boat rides and whether or not I'm making too much of the lack of storage space on the Montauk? Thanks.
Bigshot	posted 02-12-2003 02:39 PM ET (US) No offense but 17' is 17'. I have a 20' Hydra-sports and there is not much storage in that either. Any kind of deck storage will get wet so storage is only good for anchors, ladders etc. If you want to keep stuff dry a console or cooler, etc is the only way. What I do is keep an extra cooler filled with stuff for when I need it. I just keep 2 or 3 lifejackets aboard, an anchor, horn, etc but the other cooler stores the extra anchor, rode, life jackets, rain gear, etc for when I am going offshore or extended cruising. I honestly think the new montauk is better than the edgewater, especially for the price. If you were looking at the older montauk at $25k+ then I would seriously consider the edgewater or scout.
GAwhale	posted 02-12-2003 02:39 PM ET (US) Hi Beaner. I can't answer your quetions. How do the two boats compare in price? I would definitely wait til you can test drive the Edgewater. They look like great boats. Consider the price of a real fuel tank in the total puechase price of you new Montauk. My 2001 Montauk came with two six gallon tanks (a very poor joke for such a fine boat).
jerseyron	posted 02-12-2003 04:03 PM ET (US) beaner... Went to the Atlantic City Boat Show this past weekend. Head is still spinning from all the comparing I did. End result was that the Scout offers more in the standard package (especially if you fish) than does whaler. Add to that,34 gallon fuel tank,(below deck), rod holders,pedestal seats,lockable electronics box,stern cleats,live well....All in all I think it's more bang for the buck. I know I'll take a whoopin for this on a BW site but I think that Whaler depends too much on their name instead of getting with the times. BTW, I have an 84 15'SS that I probably will keep but I want something bigger for when I go fishing with more than one other aboard. Your decision will have to do with what you want the boat for,don't rush into it without weighing the pros and cons for your specific needs.
InHerNet	posted 02-12-2003 08:38 PM ET (US) Beaner- Bigshot is right. The storage is a problem if you leave things in there for any amount of time. It will do nothing except collect mildew or everything is always damp. The Montauk is a great boat. Lots of room for an additional storage gear bag or cooler. As far as the internal fuel tank goes, I have a Pate 27 gallon tank under the RPS and it has plenty of fuel for the whole day and some. I personally like to be able to go boating and then clean everything up in less than a hour. More is not always better, except for money. Don
captbone	posted 02-12-2003 08:51 PM ET (US) Looks can be deceiving! A 17 montauk has alot more room than alot of 20 ft's that have a euro transom and pulpit in their LOA. The biger you get the more deceiving it gets. A 21 regulator has more usable space than a 24 outrage.
dspinosa	posted 02-13-2003 03:55 PM ET (US) i don't about the 17' edgwater but this past summer i took out the 247 edgewater and it handles great. i have a 71 outrage 21 and would consider getting the edgewater. dan
whalermatt	posted 02-13-2003 06:52 PM ET (US) The post below has some more information for you... http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004325.html
Beaner	posted 02-13-2003 09:10 PM ET (US) Whalermatt, I read the post and see you had a 175CC. I have heard that the Edgewater 175CC can be a little tippy when drifting and/or anchored. I would really like some storage, but lateral stability when not under power is my number one priority. How stable was your 175CC?
whalermatt	posted 02-14-2003 03:42 PM ET (US) The 175cc has a 7'3" beam - pretty beamy for its size and is has a 200lb wieght advantage to its hull. The new Montauk has a 6'10 beam. My 2000 175cc's hull rounded out in the stern - which gave a pretty stable ride. I do not know if they have changed the mold for 2003. I thought it was a very stable boat for its size. Have you gone to a dealer and looked one over? What purpose and water conditions are you planning to use it for? Bob Dougherty's newest project - Everglades boats are hands down the most solid boats I've seen - I about broke my hand when I pounded on the side of one of the hulls. You might want to check it out while you are looking. It is not a traditional hull design, but it is designed to ride on a pocket of air... http://www.evergladesboats.com/eg_180cc.html
whalermatt	posted 02-14-2003 03:47 PM ET (US) Sorry - I didn't answer your question about when not under power - I thought is was pretty stable. I think that the increased width in the beam may help. They also changed the fuel tanks, they are no longer 45, they now are 38gal. http://www.ewboats.com/ewboats/175cc/specs.htm http://www.bostonwhaler.com/Rec/spec_NEW_170_montauk.shtm
Beaner	posted 02-14-2003 10:58 PM ET (US) I will mostly be using the boat in bays and the Long Island Sound (which is usually 1' waves and under) fishing for fluke and stripers which will require alot of drifting w/ no power. I've heard some people complain about the Edgewater 175 being tippy compared to a Montauk. When drifting, there is nothing more annoying than being knocked around by everyone else's wake. I would hate to spend $10,000 more on a boat that would not give me pretty good stability. I really don't need the boat to handle rough conditions as I will not be going very far.
TRIDENT	posted 02-19-2003 10:20 AM ET (US) The Montauk is a superior boat, you could get some dry storage bags to keep your gear in. In 20 years the Montauk will still be going out fishing, the Edgewater????
BobShea	posted 06-10-2005 04:40 PM ET (US) Beaner, Always have been a classic whaler guy. We just moved up from a 98 Anniversary Edition Whaler 13 to an Edgewater 175. We considered a Montauk (new and used) as well. We chose the Edgewater. We get a dry ride on Narragansett Bay. Not much storage on either boat. The deciding factor for me. I'm a Bob Dougherty fan and I love the Yamaha 115.
where2	posted 06-11-2005 11:10 PM ET (US) If the 17' Edgewater is anything like my father's 20' Edgewater (a 1997 model), you will love the ride of the boat. It's always been interesting to walk into a manufacturer's display at the Miami International Boat show and ask "Is the ride in your boat as dry as the ride in an Edgewater?" because the sales guys always ask "What kind of boat do you presently own?" Before he bought the Edgewater, he took both a 20' Scout and the 20' Edgewater for sea trials. The Edgewater was hands down drier riding. As for how Edgewater's hold up over time: I would not hesitate to take my father's 1997 Edgewater out in the Atlantic Ocean. My 1985 15' Boston Whaler is a perfect example of what a 20 year old whaler is like, and I don't hesitate to use the Whaler...
jimh	posted 06-12-2005 07:28 AM ET (US) [Thread revived after three years of dormancy.]
Freeport Alan	posted 06-12-2005 10:50 AM ET (US) I'm a Whaler owner & lover but if I was to suggest another 17 it would be a Duskey, this 17 comes woth a bracket set up, solid as a rock vessel.
Freeport Alan	posted 06-12-2005 10:57 AM ET (US) Correction, spelling is Dusky, just checked the website & the bracket models now seem to start with thier 19' ers but I'm pretty sure they built 17's with them or will if you ask. This is a semi custom builder thats beed around for close to 40 years , great boats.. Dusky.com