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nicksorg posted 07-07-2013 10:19 PM ET (US)   Profile for nicksorg   Send Email to nicksorg  
I launched my 2005 Montauk 170 with 90 Mercury yesterday. The motor ran great and I ran full throttle for about 15 minutes from the launch to my slip. Later in the day I went out again. When I started the motor she ran a little rough and when I left the dock the boat would not go at full throttle; the engine bogged down. No engine alarm and the there was a steady stream of water from the motor’s water pump.

I went back to the dock and changed the plugs and that didn’t help. I also tried a different tank of fresh treated gas as well as running with a cleaned fuel filter. Nothing improved the condition. I’m a little stumped. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks.
Nick

nicksorg posted 07-07-2013 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for nicksorg  Send Email to nicksorg     
Thinking about it, doesn't seem to be fuel related. Maybe I'm loosing spark as the engine speed increases?
Tom W Clark posted 07-07-2013 10:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Two stroke or four stroke 2005 Mercury 90 HP?
swist posted 07-08-2013 08:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
Have the same boat (it's a 4-stroke). Is it EFI or carbed?
The latter are notorious for small passages in the carbs which clog very easily with just a small piece of crud.
nicksorg posted 07-13-2013 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for nicksorg  Send Email to nicksorg     
The motor is a Mercury 90-HP FOURSTROKE EFI.
jimh posted 07-13-2013 08:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Use an in-line spark test tool to check the spark ignition voltage for each cylinder.
Clark Roberts posted 07-15-2013 07:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Injectors may need cleaning
Russ 13 posted 07-20-2013 01:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Russ 13  Send Email to Russ 13     
Did the boat "sit" for a long period prior to this use?
Might suggest water/contaminants in the engine mounted fuel filter.
Unfortunately Mercury's tend to be repair intensive.....
nicksorg posted 08-03-2013 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for nicksorg  Send Email to nicksorg     
I put inline spark plug testers on this morning and started the engine. She ran rough but I could see that plugs 1 and 4 had weak spark compared to strong spark on 2 and 3. Based on that I swapped ignition coils and it seemed to follow the ignition coil since 2 and 3 were weak after the swap. Unfortunately none of the dealers around here in Maine stock the part.

One of the parts counter guys was skeptical that the coil was the problem as he hasn't seen many fail on the four strokes. He suggested trigger coils under the flywheel but I'm not familiar with those. Any thoughts guys?
Thanks

jimh posted 08-03-2013 02:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Let me see if I understand your narrative. You conduct a spark test, using an in-line spark tester, which provides evidence of a difference in the spark voltage. You observed:

--"plugs 1 and 4 had weak spark compared to strong spark on 2 and 3"

The circuit that generates the spark has several elements. One of those elements is the external spark coils. I assume you took the spark coils from cylinders 2 and 3, and moved them to cylinders 1 and 4, and, at the same move, put the ones from 1 and 4 onto 2 and 3. Now we have everything the same as before, except the location of the spark coils.

Then you repeated your test. On the second test, there was evidence of weak spark on different cylinders. Instead of 1 and 4 being weak, you saw weak spark on 2 and 3:

--"2 and 3 were weak after the swap"

I interpret this test as demonstrating that there is some defect in the spark coils that were originally on 1 and 4 and presently are on 2 and 3. Let's call them the suspect coils.

The part's counter salesman contradicts your diagnosis. He says the problem is likely in the "trigger coils". This makes no sense, because in your test the "trigger coils" did not change location. The same ones are still driving the same cylinders.

Regarding the "trigger coils", that naming is a bit confusing. In the typical ignition system there is an arrangement of coils under the flywheel which respond to magnets in the flywheel passing by them by generating electrical pulses. There are usual one or two of these coils, perhaps more, that are intended to produce a pulse that will be used to initiate the spark plug to fire. These coils generate only a low voltage pulse, too weak to be used for much, except to operate a solid-state device with a lot of current gain. The solid state device then controls the flow of battery current into the primary winding of the spark coil. The battery can provide a very high pulse of current into the primary winding of the spark coil. The turn-ratio of the spark coil is very high, so that an enormous step-up in voltage occurs, generating many thousands of Volts for spark.

If there were a problem in the under-flywheel coil assembly associated with the spark--which is sometimes called the timer base--this would always affect the same cylinders.

The signals from the timer base coils are amplified in an electronic assembly. Various names are used for this assembly, like switch box or Power-pack. Inside the assembly are solid-state devices that amplify the current of the timer base pulses and condition the pulse so that it can drive the spark coil primary. These circuits are dedicated for their cylinders.

In the test you made, the timer base coils and the Power-pack circuits did not change cylinders; they all stayed right where they were. The suggestion that your test indicated a defect in either the timer base coils or the Power-pack (or whatever those components are called on your engine) makes no sense to me. The test indicated the problem followed the spark coils.

Are there four spark coils? Or only two, and they each serve a pair of cylinders?

nicksorg posted 08-04-2013 09:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for nicksorg  Send Email to nicksorg     
Jim,
Your summation is exactly what happened. The problem followed the coil swap. This is a 4 cylinder motor with two coils. One coil services services cylinders 1 & 4, the other services cylinders 2 & 3.

I thought my test was sound and thought the same thing about the parts counter guys's comments - that if the problem was under the flywheel, it would impact all cylinders. He also suggested a fuel problem, but again I thought it would be a broader problem. I felt I ruled that out in the beginning with a new tank of clean treated fuel and clean fuel filter.

Thanks for your response.
Nick

Machiato posted 04-10-2014 06:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Machiato  Send Email to Machiato     
Nick: Was [the cause of the problem with the ignition spark found] eventually [to be] the ignition coil? Did [replacement of the ignition coil] solve your [engine malfunction]? I experience more or less the same.

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