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BassinWhaler posted 10-03-2009 01:13 AM ET (US)
I'd appreciate hearing what sort of range and speed you get in real life with 12-volt or 24-volt electric trolling motors on a 170 Montauk. Also, are you happy with your personal set-up's. What are they? Thanks.
fishin8tor posted 10-03-2009 02:25 AM ET (US)
I had a Minn Kota riptide 55 lb thrust bow mount motor mounted on my [170 MONTAUK], but I didn't think it had enough power for my fishing needs; I fish tidal waters that need extra power. So, I just bought a 70-lb Riptide for a screaming deal and will install it this weekend. Will let you know if it's enough power for the boat. I still think, trolling motors are like outboards, you can never have enough power.
fishgutz posted 10-03-2009 10:39 AM ET (US)
About the most thrust you can get with one battery is 55 pounds. Anything more and you will need two batteries. For most bass fishing or position fishing, 55 pounds of thrust is enough for your boat. If you are fighting strong river or tidal currents as fishn8tor, you will need more. Then you will need two batteries.
Here is a link that might be helpful:
http://www.minnkotamotors.com/selectamotor/
I use a 55 pound thrust Minnkota motor for position fishing with my Dauntless 14 (heavy boat) and have had great succcess. I run it with a series 27 deep cycle battery and it lasts a long time. "A long time" is all relative to how many time you're turning it on and off and how fast you are going. There is no real way of telling how long your battery will last.
Nauti Tauk posted 10-03-2009 06:13 PM ET (US)
Bassin,
I too have the MinnKota Riptide 55-lb with one dedicated battery. I fish shore lines for bass, snook and reds, and the flats for trout in Florida and it works just fine. We use it to troll for Stripers in Georgia, again works fine. I agree however if you're gonna be fighting tides or river flow you'll need the 70lb. with a couple of big batteries. (27 or 31s). I have a 2003 170 Montauk.
ktm3ten posted 10-05-2009 06:06 PM ET (US)
I have an [2008] 170 Montauk with an 80-lb MinnKota RipTide ST (the saltwater version of the Terrova). I love this trolling motor! 80-lbs seems perfect, I can't imagine having less. I do have a 24-volt setup with two Group 27 Batteries in the console separate from my 12-volt system (so three total in the console). I use the co-pilot remote exclusively because I can fish all around the boat and the setup is so clean, very minimal cords. Let me know if you'd like more info as I'd be happy to email you more photos, descriptions, etc. Good luck and you'll love the boat. I can't help but notice your screen name: I live down by Table Rock Lake in Missouri and the responses from bass fisherman who don't see Whaler's are often priceless.
Here's the links to a couple photos:
http://homepage.mac.com/coloktm/.Pictures/Boats/IMG_0742.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/coloktm/.Pictures/Boats/DSCN0639.JPG
BlueMax posted 10-05-2009 09:40 PM ET (US)
I thought the 'Bassin" was a play on the New England accent.
I have a 2007 170 Montauk. Do I have to take the bow rail off to use a bow mount trolling motor? Also can that motor be placed on the stern and do the same job? Or, would we be talking 5- to 9-HP kicker needed back there? [Also, what is the relationship between thrust in pounds and power in horsepower?]
Thanks for letting me jump in with my questions.
fishin8tor posted 10-06-2009 01:08 AM ET (US)
I just instlled my 70lb riptide on the boat on my removable aluminum mount so it was easy as I didn't have to drill any holes. Just a note that I prefer the aluminum mounts because as Minn Kota changes their motors you can still use the many mounting holes in the aluminum mount. Had no problem mounting this one but had to use different holes from my previous riptide because the release mechanism has changed and didn't let my motor drop all the way down.
As for taking off the rail, I have left my rail up and placed my motor across the front of the bow. It fits well, but I do have to be careful when I lower or raise the motor as it's very close to the rail. The only other way I have seen to put the motor on if you want to keep the rail is to mount it outside the rail. I've seen it done, but I'm not sure if it's as stable as my mount that has 4 screws in the whaler board.
As for placement, the bow is always the better place to put the trolling motor as it's easier to pulll than it is to push.
BassinWhaler posted 10-06-2009 09:10 PM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for your help. And BassinWhaler is a play on the accent and my favorite fish.
BlueMax posted 10-07-2009 12:30 PM ET (US)
Fish - do you happen to have a picture you can share?Thanks also for the replies -
Bass, based on the info what are you thinking for your needs as far as motor? I had originally thought of a Minn Kota 55lb thrust but live in Coastal Carolina with some fast moving tidal currents so now think I will probably have to consider 70-80lb thrust or a four-stroke kicker. I do like the idea of a 5 - 9 hp 'reserve' and putting 2 more batteries under the console is iffy towards storage needs for me. However, I really do like the idea of having a lightweight, quiet electric trolling motor up front for the back waters. And I like my bow rail too much to consider taking it off right now.
BlueMax posted 10-07-2009 12:37 PM ET (US)
One more question please - If we install separate batteries for the trolling motor, can we use the existing charging system (do we have to beef up), or install separate charging system?
Thanks Again -
jhammer posted 10-07-2009 12:59 PM ET (US)
I also have a 17 Montauk, I flats fish and dock fish for snook, redfish and trout all the time. Rarely do I ever go out without using my trolling motor for a relatively long time. I have a 55 lbs thrust 12V Motorguide remote operated trolling motor. I power it with 2 27 series batteries and I have never run out of juice. It also has plenty of power for my needs. I have only had couple of times were I have run into a problem and that is when the wind has really been blowing. Even then it was not terrible. I would assume that I am pushing more weight than you as well due to some of the major mods I have done.
Here is a link to how I have set it up, a bit different than most...
http://www.whalercentral.com/infusions/personal_page/view_personal_page. php?user_id=15487
Barney posted 10-07-2009 03:47 PM ET (US)
We made the bow rail removable from the first port stantion(support) to the first starboard stantion. It's plugged and pinned. Pull the pins and remove. Handy when you beach too. Jim
Barney posted 10-07-2009 09:47 PM ET (US)
http://picasaweb.google.com/barney9014/TheFamily?feat=directlink
BassinWhaler posted 10-07-2009 11:09 PM ET (US)
BlueMax: I will be fishing in the Merrimack and out beyond it's mouth mostly, so I am really worried about tidal currents. I'm weighing a 5hp kicker vs. an electric trolling motor. Like other posters, I like my bow rail and don't want to remove that, so I may go with a transom mount electric. I'm still not sure which way to go. The 5hp kicker is the better back up, but I like the quietness of an electric for the actual fishing.
Barney: really nice mod on the bow rail. Did you do that or have it done?
fishin8tor posted 10-08-2009 12:57 AM ET (US)
I'm not good at posting pictures, but if you guys give my your email I'll send you pics of my trolling motor mount. Also, I have 3 batteries in my console, 2 for the trolling motor and one for the main motor. It's a full console, but you can put a few more things in there. You can set up the to have your main motor charge your trolling motor batteries, but I don't recommend it as doesn't fully charge your batteries if you drain them and it'll leave your main battery under charged.
East Bay posted 10-08-2009 11:10 AM ET (US)
ktm3ten, I am looking at buying an '07 Montauk and want to mount an 80 lb thrust Minnkota on the bow as you have, but am wondering how to put three batteries in the console. I would be very interested in seeing photos, descriptions, etc. on how you did that. Do you have the front pedestal seat and livewell in your boat? Thanks!
WT posted 10-08-2009 11:44 AM ET (US)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Montauk170/ Montauk3-18-04001.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Montauk170/ ?albumview=slideshow
These pictures are 5 years old....
Warren
Barney posted 10-08-2009 12:38 PM ET (US)
I forgot to mention we have a bow mount trolling motor and we copied Warren's battery setup. :)
The complete installation bowrail mod etc was accomplished by a professional. Jim
ktm3ten posted 10-10-2009 06:37 PM ET (US)
I'll get some more photos of my 3 batteries in the console. I used a seperate charger for my 24v system. I used a Marinco plug though the console side so that when I get home, I just plug it in. I can go three days of heavy trolling without recharging. Here's a few photos, let me know if you want detailed photos of any area, I'd be happy to post them.

homepage.mac.com/coloktm
BassinWhaler posted 10-10-2009 11:19 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the pictures WT! Do you dismount your kicker before you trailer it with that mount?

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Author	Topic: 170 MONTAUK: 12-Volt or 24-Volt Trolling Motor
BassinWhaler	posted 10-03-2009 01:13 AM ET (US) I'd appreciate hearing what sort of range and speed you get in real life with 12-volt or 24-volt electric trolling motors on a 170 Montauk. Also, are you happy with your personal set-up's. What are they? Thanks.
fishin8tor	posted 10-03-2009 02:25 AM ET (US) I had a Minn Kota riptide 55 lb thrust bow mount motor mounted on my [170 MONTAUK], but I didn't think it had enough power for my fishing needs; I fish tidal waters that need extra power. So, I just bought a 70-lb Riptide for a screaming deal and will install it this weekend. Will let you know if it's enough power for the boat. I still think, trolling motors are like outboards, you can never have enough power.
fishgutz	posted 10-03-2009 10:39 AM ET (US) About the most thrust you can get with one battery is 55 pounds. Anything more and you will need two batteries. For most bass fishing or position fishing, 55 pounds of thrust is enough for your boat. If you are fighting strong river or tidal currents as fishn8tor, you will need more. Then you will need two batteries. Here is a link that might be helpful: http://www.minnkotamotors.com/selectamotor/ I use a 55 pound thrust Minnkota motor for position fishing with my Dauntless 14 (heavy boat) and have had great succcess. I run it with a series 27 deep cycle battery and it lasts a long time. "A long time" is all relative to how many time you're turning it on and off and how fast you are going. There is no real way of telling how long your battery will last.
Nauti Tauk	posted 10-03-2009 06:13 PM ET (US) Bassin, I too have the MinnKota Riptide 55-lb with one dedicated battery. I fish shore lines for bass, snook and reds, and the flats for trout in Florida and it works just fine. We use it to troll for Stripers in Georgia, again works fine. I agree however if you're gonna be fighting tides or river flow you'll need the 70lb. with a couple of big batteries. (27 or 31s). I have a 2003 170 Montauk.
ktm3ten	posted 10-05-2009 06:06 PM ET (US) I have an [2008] 170 Montauk with an 80-lb MinnKota RipTide ST (the saltwater version of the Terrova). I love this trolling motor! 80-lbs seems perfect, I can't imagine having less. I do have a 24-volt setup with two Group 27 Batteries in the console separate from my 12-volt system (so three total in the console). I use the co-pilot remote exclusively because I can fish all around the boat and the setup is so clean, very minimal cords. Let me know if you'd like more info as I'd be happy to email you more photos, descriptions, etc. Good luck and you'll love the boat. I can't help but notice your screen name: I live down by Table Rock Lake in Missouri and the responses from bass fisherman who don't see Whaler's are often priceless. Here's the links to a couple photos: http://homepage.mac.com/coloktm/.Pictures/Boats/IMG_0742.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/coloktm/.Pictures/Boats/DSCN0639.JPG
BlueMax	posted 10-05-2009 09:40 PM ET (US) I thought the 'Bassin" was a play on the New England accent. I have a 2007 170 Montauk. Do I have to take the bow rail off to use a bow mount trolling motor? Also can that motor be placed on the stern and do the same job? Or, would we be talking 5- to 9-HP kicker needed back there? [Also, what is the relationship between thrust in pounds and power in horsepower?] Thanks for letting me jump in with my questions.
fishin8tor	posted 10-06-2009 01:08 AM ET (US) I just instlled my 70lb riptide on the boat on my removable aluminum mount so it was easy as I didn't have to drill any holes. Just a note that I prefer the aluminum mounts because as Minn Kota changes their motors you can still use the many mounting holes in the aluminum mount. Had no problem mounting this one but had to use different holes from my previous riptide because the release mechanism has changed and didn't let my motor drop all the way down. As for taking off the rail, I have left my rail up and placed my motor across the front of the bow. It fits well, but I do have to be careful when I lower or raise the motor as it's very close to the rail. The only other way I have seen to put the motor on if you want to keep the rail is to mount it outside the rail. I've seen it done, but I'm not sure if it's as stable as my mount that has 4 screws in the whaler board. As for placement, the bow is always the better place to put the trolling motor as it's easier to pulll than it is to push.
BassinWhaler	posted 10-06-2009 09:10 PM ET (US) Thanks everyone for your help. And BassinWhaler is a play on the accent and my favorite fish.
BlueMax	posted 10-07-2009 12:30 PM ET (US) Fish - do you happen to have a picture you can share?Thanks also for the replies - Bass, based on the info what are you thinking for your needs as far as motor? I had originally thought of a Minn Kota 55lb thrust but live in Coastal Carolina with some fast moving tidal currents so now think I will probably have to consider 70-80lb thrust or a four-stroke kicker. I do like the idea of a 5 - 9 hp 'reserve' and putting 2 more batteries under the console is iffy towards storage needs for me. However, I really do like the idea of having a lightweight, quiet electric trolling motor up front for the back waters. And I like my bow rail too much to consider taking it off right now.
BlueMax	posted 10-07-2009 12:37 PM ET (US) One more question please - If we install separate batteries for the trolling motor, can we use the existing charging system (do we have to beef up), or install separate charging system? Thanks Again -
jhammer	posted 10-07-2009 12:59 PM ET (US) I also have a 17 Montauk, I flats fish and dock fish for snook, redfish and trout all the time. Rarely do I ever go out without using my trolling motor for a relatively long time. I have a 55 lbs thrust 12V Motorguide remote operated trolling motor. I power it with 2 27 series batteries and I have never run out of juice. It also has plenty of power for my needs. I have only had couple of times were I have run into a problem and that is when the wind has really been blowing. Even then it was not terrible. I would assume that I am pushing more weight than you as well due to some of the major mods I have done. Here is a link to how I have set it up, a bit different than most... http://www.whalercentral.com/infusions/personal_page/view_personal_page. php?user_id=15487
Barney	posted 10-07-2009 03:47 PM ET (US) We made the bow rail removable from the first port stantion(support) to the first starboard stantion. It's plugged and pinned. Pull the pins and remove. Handy when you beach too. Jim
Barney	posted 10-07-2009 09:47 PM ET (US) http://picasaweb.google.com/barney9014/TheFamily?feat=directlink
BassinWhaler	posted 10-07-2009 11:09 PM ET (US) BlueMax: I will be fishing in the Merrimack and out beyond it's mouth mostly, so I am really worried about tidal currents. I'm weighing a 5hp kicker vs. an electric trolling motor. Like other posters, I like my bow rail and don't want to remove that, so I may go with a transom mount electric. I'm still not sure which way to go. The 5hp kicker is the better back up, but I like the quietness of an electric for the actual fishing. Barney: really nice mod on the bow rail. Did you do that or have it done?
fishin8tor	posted 10-08-2009 12:57 AM ET (US) I'm not good at posting pictures, but if you guys give my your email I'll send you pics of my trolling motor mount. Also, I have 3 batteries in my console, 2 for the trolling motor and one for the main motor. It's a full console, but you can put a few more things in there. You can set up the to have your main motor charge your trolling motor batteries, but I don't recommend it as doesn't fully charge your batteries if you drain them and it'll leave your main battery under charged.
East Bay	posted 10-08-2009 11:10 AM ET (US) ktm3ten, I am looking at buying an '07 Montauk and want to mount an 80 lb thrust Minnkota on the bow as you have, but am wondering how to put three batteries in the console. I would be very interested in seeing photos, descriptions, etc. on how you did that. Do you have the front pedestal seat and livewell in your boat? Thanks!
WT	posted 10-08-2009 11:44 AM ET (US) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Montauk170/ Montauk3-18-04001.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Montauk170/ ?albumview=slideshow These pictures are 5 years old.... Warren
Barney	posted 10-08-2009 12:38 PM ET (US) I forgot to mention we have a bow mount trolling motor and we copied Warren's battery setup. :) The complete installation bowrail mod etc was accomplished by a professional. Jim
ktm3ten	posted 10-10-2009 06:37 PM ET (US) I'll get some more photos of my 3 batteries in the console. I used a seperate charger for my 24v system. I used a Marinco plug though the console side so that when I get home, I just plug it in. I can go three days of heavy trolling without recharging. Here's a few photos, let me know if you want detailed photos of any area, I'd be happy to post them. homepage.mac.com/coloktm
BassinWhaler	posted 10-10-2009 11:19 PM ET (US) Thanks for the pictures WT! Do you dismount your kicker before you trailer it with that mount?