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Joe Kriz posted 03-03-2004 09:59 PM ET (US)   Profile for Joe Kriz   Send Email to Joe Kriz  
I am trying to verify the size of the Windshields for the Standard Console on the:
1. 1977 to 2002 Montauk
2. 1981 to 1991 Outrage

I measured 2 boats today and came up with the same measurements.

13 1/4 inches high at the highest point
30 1/8 inches wide inside
30 5/8 inches wide outside
12 inch long sides (measured at the extreme bottom)

These measurements came from a 1977 Montauk and a 1985 Outrage 18..
Both of these models have the different console faces but apparently use the same Windshield..
1. 1977 to 1982 Montauk & Outrage
2. 1983 to 1985 Montauk & Outrage
3. 1986 to 1991 Montauk & Outrage
4. 1992 to 2002 Montauk

Some of these measurements are not easy due to warping or flexing of the old Windshield but they should be very close.

Can anyone tell me the measurements from the 1986 to 1991 Montauk & Outrage? They should be the same as my measurements given above so we will see.

Thanks,
Joe

Tom W Clark posted 03-04-2004 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Joe,

Thanks for initiating this.

The reason Joe and I are wondering about this compatibility is that I am trying to organize a group purchase of replacement Montauk and Outrage center console windshield.

Peter Egan was the OEM to Whaler of these windshields in the 1980s. He still has the pattern and individuals have had him make these windshields on a one-off basis over the years. See:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000061.html

Rather than spending as much as $230 or more to order one from Whaler, or spending $150 to buy a single one made by Egan, I thought we might as well have him make several at once in order to get the unit price down to a more reasonable level. This is along the lines of my thinking regarding the group purchase of RPS Z-legs. For the discussion of that project see:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/005565.html

We can have these windshields made for $100 each plush shipping, but we have to order at least a dozen.

If you want one and have not yet emailed me, please do so and include your shipping address if you think you would like one (or more).

As of now it is my suspicion that these windshields will fit all the Montauk consoles made from 1977 or so to 2002. It will NOT ift the ealry Montauk and Outrage cosnole made from 1973 to 1977. 1977 to 2002 covers three different versions of the standard console used on the Montauk and Outrage models, but it appears the windshields are the same size/shape.

Joe and I are still working on verifying this. If you have information to help us here, please contribute it.

One point Joe bought up was the question of whether to order these windshields with the mounting holes drilled or not. I believe the holes spacing was specified, but that does not mean that every console necessarily got the same hole spacing over the years. Input on this detail would be appreciated.

hauptjm posted 03-04-2004 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Tom & Joe,

I repalced my original windshield last year with one purchased from Twin Cities Marine. I paid roughly $140.00 (including shipping). I am guessing at the amount, but I know it wasn't but $10.00 either way. The holes were pre-drilled and matched perfectly. In fact, it came with the rubber "grommets" that were also like the original. For reference, my boat is a 1985 18ft. Outrage.

Jim

Tom W Clark posted 03-04-2004 12:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Jim,

That was then. This is now. This is why I'm trying to work a better deal.

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000201.html

hauptjm posted 03-05-2004 02:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Tom,

You're right, the times and prices have changed. I can say though, that the holes that were pre-drilled matched perfectly.

Tom W Clark posted 03-05-2004 06:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Jim,

That's good to know. Maybe we CAN rely upon the holes drilled by Egan.

It would be nice if those who have expressed an interest in these windshields could go do some measuring for us. Maybe we could pin down whether or not the mounting hole spacing is consistent throughout all the years.

Rick Dewees posted 03-05-2004 11:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Tom, Joe,

The following data is from the windshield on my 1977, non-winged classic console. All screws centers are 9/16" from bottom edge of plastic windshield. All dimemsions are . Dimensions are center to center or center to edge:

| |
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|__________________________________________|

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3 1/2" 12 1/16" 12" 1/16" 3 1/2"

Front Elevation

/ |
/ |
(____________________________|

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1-1/2" 7-3/4" 2-3/4"

Starboard Elevation

Hope this is legible and of use for your work. If we can get this right, I'd like to order one of the $100 windshields.

Rick Dewees posted 03-05-2004 11:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Sorry, it didn't transmit the way it set up on the screen. I'll try to think of another way to communicate this information.

Rick Dewees posted 03-06-2004 12:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Tom & Joe, I'll try it now in English.

Windshield front screws, left to right:

Left edge to first screw center: 3-1/4"
First screw center to middle screw center: 12-1/16"
Middle screw center to third screw center: 12-1/16"
Third screw center to right edge: 3-1/4"


Windshield starboard side screws, left to right:

Left (rear) edge to first screw center: 1-1/2"
First screw center to seceond screw center: 7-3/4"
Second screw center to right (front) edge: 2-3/4"

All screw centers are 9/16" from bottom edge of windshield.

These dimensions match the totals that Joe provided above. I hope this works better.

Rick

Tom W Clark posted 03-06-2004 12:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Rick,

That is excellent and understandable information. Thank you.

I would invite owners of other standard consoles to measure and report. Joe, how about yours?

jimh posted 03-06-2004 08:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
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kgregg posted 03-06-2004 08:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for kgregg  Send Email to kgregg     
Tom & Joe-
I need replacement windshield for 1991 Outrage 19. Add me to the list. Thanks. Kevin kevingregg@comcast.net
Rick Dewees posted 03-06-2004 09:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Jimh,

Thanks for rearranging the garbled information. I also noticed an inconsistency/error on the front elevation dimension between edge and first screw. That should be 3-1/4".

islander posted 03-06-2004 12:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for islander  Send Email to islander     
Just went out in the rain ...Here is what I got from my 87 Montauk:

Outside

30 3/4 wide at the bottom (port to starbord)
11 1/2 deep at the bottom (bow to stern)
13 3/8 tall at the center rail

Inside

30 3/16 at the bottom (top of console)
11 1/4 tall at the center

Hhhhmmm ??

Tom W Clark posted 03-06-2004 12:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
islander,

Your measurements are not that far off. Could be measuring error that accounts for the small discrepancies.

Ultimately the critical measurements are the inside width and the spacing of the holes.

We know from visual inspection that the design is the same. If the height or length vary by a 1/4", it won't make any difference.

Joe Kriz posted 03-06-2004 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
My measurements for the holes are very close to rick's...
My measurements are for the 1983 to 1985 Console...

First screw center to middle screw center: 12"
Middle screw center to third screw center: 12"
Third screw center to right edge: 3-1/4" (Approximate due to bend)

Windshield starboard side screws, left to right:

Left (rear) edge to first screw center: 1-1/2"
First screw center to seceond screw center: 7-3/4"
Second screw center to right (front) edge: [b]2-1/2"[b] (This varies from Rick's by 1/4")

kamie posted 03-06-2004 03:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Add me to the list for sure here is what I got.

Outside: 30 13/16
Inside: 30 4/16
Side : 11 8/16

I am betting the slight differences are due to the operator of the measuring tape. When I go down in the morning to get the trailer, I will measure the placement of the screws and recheck the other measurements. This is from a 1982 Outrage Console.

Rick Dewees posted 03-06-2004 05:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
It is very difficult to get repeatable accuracy within the variations mentioned, especially on curved and angled surfaces with different people holding and reading the tape each time.

Each screw fits in an offsetting rubber grommet and is covered by a finishing washer. Those two factors seem to allow for a little forgivness of some minor variation in actual dimensions. I'm also curious as to the size of the holes in the fiberglass console, and how much room the grommet has to float inside the hole. I would take one of mine out , but the rubber is so old that I'm afraid it might not get it back inside the hole in one piece.

Can anyone who has replaced their's before provide information concerning the tightness of the fit and wiggle room? I can't believe that variations this close were intended to be a significant factor leading to the need to produce a different spare part model.

Joe Kriz posted 03-06-2004 10:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Rick,

The holes in the console are 3/8" diameter and accomodate a 3/8" diameter "Well Nut". These Well Nuts are available from Scott Supply...

http://scottnet.com/Catalog/wellnut_page.htm
The fifth 10/32 in the list is the one you want to order...
10-32 - .750 - .807 - .620 - .375 - .187 - 3/8 - (.030-.227)

I purchased 10 of these in a pack from them...
You can also purchase the Windshield Mounting Kit from Boston Whaler for about $10 to $15 dollars I believe... If you screws are rusty, or any of the plastic bushings are bad, I think I would order the kit from Boston Whaler..

After inserting the Well Nut, there really isn't any play so to speak but they do allow for some misalignment...

Tom W Clark posted 03-07-2004 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
The mounting hardware for the windshield was discussed in some detail here:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000302.html

Regarding the width measurements, both in and out, I am satisfied the windshields through the years are the same. Please note that the windshield is made from 1/4" thick Plexiglas and thus the difference between the inside and outside widths will necessarily be 1/2". Looking at the measurements above, I note an error there of 1/16" which may be typical tape measure error.

Tom W Clark posted 03-07-2004 06:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I just borrowed a friend's windshield off of his 1986 Sport 15 Center Console which uses the same windshield as the Montauk. It is also stamped:

EGAN-DeYOUNG
ASSOCIATES, INC.
CREATIVE PLASTIC PRODUCTS
BROCKTON, MASS.

I brought it home and pulled the bushings out of it so I could get some accurate measurements. Here is what I found:

The overall width as measured across the bottom edge is 30-11/16"

The overall height as measured along the face of it is 13-1/4"

The length of the sides is 11-5/8" is measured perpendicular to the face or 12" if measured along the bottom edge to an imaginary point that would be the projection of the forward face. Because of the round ends, these measurements do not mean much and it sounds as if we are all coming up with more or less the same thing here.

Likewise, the width seems to 30-5/8" to 30-3/4" which I would attribute to measuring error or production variance. Either way, the Wellnuts will accommodate a net difference of 1/16" one way or the other.

Now the hole spacing:

Note: It is assumed the center hole is in the center of the windshield. On this one which I have just measured it is exactly in the middle. The holes on either side at the ends of the face of the windshield are exactly 12" o.c. from here.

The holes on the sides are exactly 7-3/4" o.c. The distance from the face of the windshield (and measured perpendicular to it) to the first holes is 2-3/8". If I attempt to measure the distance along the bottom edge to the imaginary projected point where the face and the bottom edge meet, I get about 2-1/2".

I agree with Rick, the distance from the bottom edge to the center of the holes is 9/16"

At this point I am fairly confident these windshields can be ordered with the holes drilled, but perhaps we can choose the option of having them not drilled. I will let everybody decide this for themselves.

Joe Kriz posted 03-07-2004 06:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Tom,

I will take one with the holes already drilled. This would make installation a snap..

It sounds as if everyone is in the ballpark on the measurements depending on how the measurements were taken. We all agree I think on the most important measurements and we are very, very close on the others...

Rick Dewees posted 03-07-2004 07:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Tom,

It looks like we have a deal. Put me on the sign up list for a windshield with pre-drilled holes. I trust factory measurements or tooling better than my steel tape and old eyes. On a previous post above, hauptjm said that his came with mounting hardware. Can we get that as well?

How many do we need yet to get it going? Whats next?

kamie posted 03-07-2004 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
I am in for a pre-drilled one. I think the spacing of the holes and the inside dimensions are the most important.
Hole spacing on my 82 version agrees with Tom's latest measurements.
Holes across the face spaced 12" on center and the holes on the side are 7 3/4 on center. The distance from the fron face to the first hole is 2 1/2. Given the curve and tape error this could be off by a 1/16. As long as mounting hardware allows for the play, I dont' see any issues.
Slippery Eel posted 03-07-2004 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Slippery Eel  Send Email to Slippery Eel     
Tom,

I won't be able to measure mine till 3/21, but it seems that the consensus in the same for the "non-winged"version. Count me in for a new one.

Hutch

Tom W Clark posted 03-07-2004 08:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Joe, Rick, islander, Kamie,

Thank you for contributing measurements. That's very helpful.

We now have enough people interested to place an order. I have asked Peter Egan what the shipping will be for each windshield. Once I have that info, I will ask you all to send me the money however you would like to send it. I will place the order with Peter with a single payment so its important to follow through and send the money to me as quickly as possible.

Peter has indicated that production time will be three to four weeks.

Rick,

I need your shipping address. Send me an email.

On the mounting hardware, you can order it from a Whaler dealer or go to your local hardware store and buy the appropriate parts. It is the Wellnuts that are the hardest to find and we've laid it out for you in the links above.

donel posted 03-07-2004 11:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for donel  Send Email to donel     
I will take two of these windshields - predrilled.

Haven't been over to be able to measure, so thanks for solving things.

Tom, shipping will be to 32608.
I'll email again my same information that you have for RPS legs.

Will these come with rubber grommets like previously from Egans?
Thanks
Don

Tom W Clark posted 03-08-2004 08:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Don,

I've got you down for two.

No, I don't think they will come with grommets from Egan. Those parts came from Whaler originally and apparently are still available from them.

Tom W Clark posted 03-09-2004 11:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I heard back from Peter Egan about shipping and handling. He wants a flat rate of $25 per windshield or $35 if two are shipped.

It is now time to send me the appropriate amount of money. I will be emailing each of you with these details.

kman posted 03-10-2004 07:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for kman  Send Email to kman     
Tom Clark:

Is it too late to get in on this order? If not, please put me down for one windshield. I have a 1988 18 Outrage. I am at 02062.

Thanks

kman

islander posted 03-10-2004 08:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for islander  Send Email to islander     
Tom -

Can you put me in for 1 pre-drilled? Emailing you directly as well. 04106

Thanks - Phil

Tom W Clark posted 03-10-2004 10:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
OK Phil, I've got you down for one, pre-drilled.

kman,

Please send me an email. tom@tomwclark.com

Plotman posted 03-10-2004 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Tom-

I realize I'm jumping in a bit late here, but these windshields should be pretty easy and inexpensive to make. Way, way less than $100 each, and maybe 15 minutes work each once you spend a half hour building a bending jig.

I've never made a winshield, but I have made aquariums where the front and sides were a single piece - same exact concept as a windshield, but using thicker plastic.

You can pick up plexiglas in any city from a plastic supplier, the only specialized tool you need is a strip heater, which would be ~ $50 for a project like this. You could make a bending jig out of a couple pieces of scrap plywood.

Cut the sheet plexiglass to size, put over the strip heater, bend the firs wing over the form, heat the second side and put back on the form and done.

I realize that many people would much rather pay the $125 delivered, but this might be an opportunity for someone here.

David

Tom W Clark posted 03-10-2004 01:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
David,

That's apples and oranges.

I've seen home made windshields that are well done. The plexi is not expensive, but we are talking about an OEM part here that matches perfectly. It will have all the curves and notches in the right places and edges will be finished.

No way in hell you could make one of these in 15 minutes, but hey, if you can do it for less, I'll let you have a go of it.

Plotman posted 03-10-2004 06:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Why Tom - I was thinking of you, not me :)

I also did my math wrong when I made my last post - you can only get 3 of these things out of a 4x8 sheet, as you have 54" of unfolded width - I had been thinking you could get it crosswise which would mean 7 blanks out of a sheet. Raw materials cost goes up a fair amount using the "new math" - enough that $100 isn't a bad deal at all.

That said - I think in this case OEM means someone pulls a template off of a shelf and cuts out and bends a piece of plexiglass. It's not like substituting something you make in the shop for the RPS legs or something Perko and chromed for the W-C marinium fittings.

Plotman posted 03-10-2004 06:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Why Tom - I was thinking of you, not me :)

I also did my math wrong when I made my last post - you can only get 3 of these things out of a 4x8 sheet, as you have 54" of unfolded width - I had been thinking you could get it crosswise which would mean 7 blanks out of a sheet. Raw materials cost goes up a fair amount using the "new math" - enough that $100 isn't a bad deal at all.

That said - I think in this case OEM means someone pulls a template off of a shelf and cuts out and bends a piece of plexiglass. It's not like substituting something you make in the shop for the RPS legs or something Perko and chromed for the W-C marinium fittings.

Jeff Kubu posted 03-11-2004 10:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff Kubu  Send Email to Jeff Kubu     
I have a buddy of mine making me a new windshield for my 1977 17' Montauk. He makes replacement windshields for golf carts now. I will ask him for pricing on these if you guys want me to. I feel as though the should be under $100.00 though. Let me know if anyone is interested.

Thanks,
Jeff Kubu

onlyawhaler posted 03-11-2004 10:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Tom

I would like one predrilled. 88 Outrage 18

Sterling

Tom W Clark posted 03-11-2004 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Sterling,

Send me an email please.

Tom W Clark posted 03-17-2004 10:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
We're almost there. I'm still waiting on a few payments. If you haven't yet sent payment please do so ASAP or send me an email telling me what your intentions are. Thanks.
Tom W Clark posted 03-22-2004 10:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
OK, I placed the order with Pete Egan and he has reserved a production slot for these windshields on April 5th. That puts us in pretty good shape and I suspect we will have our windshields by the middle of April. I'll keep you all posted.
peteinsf posted 03-22-2004 11:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for peteinsf    
Tom,
What was the total count?

Also, thanks again, it's amazing what you take on as a non-whaler owner!

Pete

Tom W Clark posted 03-22-2004 11:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Oh sure Pete, rub my nose in it why don't you...

All told, there were 24 windshields ordered.

Tom W Clark posted 04-13-2004 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I've received an email message from Peter Egan telling me the production of the windshields is coming along a little slower than expected. He tells me he expects to be able to start shipping the windshields on Monday the 19th.

Pete has promised me an update on Thursday. I'll keep you all posted.

Rick Dewees posted 04-23-2004 01:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Tom, Pete,

Any more updates?

Thanks,
Rick

GulfCoastOR18 posted 04-27-2004 01:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for GulfCoastOR18  Send Email to GulfCoastOR18     
I know this is a long shot, but do you think I could add one to the order?
Tom W Clark posted 04-27-2004 05:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Rick, et al,

I have not heard from Pete Egan in a while. He told me on April 15 that he would begin to ship on Monday the 19th (day before yesterday). Somehow I doubt this has happened.

This may benefit some like GulfCoastOR18, who have contacted me just recently about getting in on the order. However, I REALLY need to hear from Peter Egan before I send him any more money.

Pete, are you out there? Please respond!

newt posted 05-03-2004 04:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Tom, any word? Do you want to let Peter's # out so we can call direct and stop bugging you?
rvmontauk posted 05-03-2004 04:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for rvmontauk  Send Email to rvmontauk     
We have taken our old 1977 ccenter console windshield to the local plastic house and they are making an exact copy. We have used them in the past with good results. It will be complete in about 2 weeks and I will post the outcome. The cost, inlcuding tax is $112. A local dealer had NOS stock at $250, and the others at $150 seem spendy..Stay tuned
Tom W Clark posted 05-03-2004 09:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
newt,

I heard from Pete on Thursday. He told me things were going "A little slower than I wanted..."

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

By the way, his contact info is in the OEM secton. He does not answer his phone, but you can leave a message.

outrage 93 posted 05-04-2004 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for outrage 93  Send Email to outrage 93     
I have a winged widshield, brand new,from Whaler for my 1993 Outrage. The screw holes were predrilled in the wrong place for my console. I guess this is not uniform for all the consoles? but I would sell the windhsield for $125.00 plus shipping. I think I paid almost $250.00 plus shipping

let me know if anyone is interested.

outrage 93 posted 05-04-2004 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for outrage 93  Send Email to outrage 93     
I have a winged widshield, brand new,from Whaler for my 1993 Outrage. The screw holes were predrilled in the wrong place for my console. I guess this is not uniform for all the consoles? but I would sell the windhsield for $125.00 plus shipping. I think I paid almost $250.00 plus shipping

let me know if anyone is interested.

Tom W Clark posted 05-04-2004 10:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
outrage 93,

In 1993 Whaler made several boats with the model name Outrage. In fact, for the 1993 model year I can think of five completely different Plexiglas windshields that could have been used on an Outrage.

None of these boats had the windshields that we are talking about here, though the 1993 Montauk does.

Try the Marketplace forum to place a "for sale" ad.

Tom W Clark posted 05-07-2004 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Update:

I just got off the phone with Pete Egan. He's shipping some windshields today and the balance on Monday. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Pete has promised to email me the tracking number on the windshields being sent to me. That would be a nice verification. I'll keep you all posted.

islander posted 05-17-2004 10:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for islander  Send Email to islander     
Anybody receive theirs yet?
Tom W Clark posted 05-17-2004 11:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Phil,

I have not received mine nor have I heard one peep from Pete. I have received absolutely no indication that he has shipped anything.

Is there anybody in the Boston Area who can track this guy down?

Rick Dewees posted 05-17-2004 01:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     

The testimonial by tflyer near the end to this thread may provide some insight into delivery date accuracy: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000061.html

Also:

http://continuouswave.com/cgi-bin/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getbio&UserName=peteboat


Tom W Clark posted 05-17-2004 02:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Rick,

Yes, I am aware of Tom's (tfyler) experience and Pete does run a legitimate business in MA and has participated here on the forum.

I'm just getting frustrated.

Rick Dewees posted 05-17-2004 03:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
I included the above thread just to indicate that this seems to be following a pattern.

Given that we have passed several projected delivery dates on the order, I'm sure that a few others here share your frustration.

Phil Tyson posted 05-23-2004 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil Tyson  Send Email to Phil Tyson     
Tom -

Do you still need help contacting Pete?

While I am 2 hrs north of Boston, I am willing to drive down there for the sake all of our orders. I am on extended vacation so it is no big deal.

Let me know.

newt posted 05-28-2004 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
I've called this clown several times and he never answers his phone or returns messages. His answering machine says "...Pete @ PG Plastics...". Is this the right place?

Does this guy already have our money? If not, I would like to bow out of the deal and find someone else. If he does have our money than I think it's time to drag his ass into small claims court.

I guess we know why his business name has changed so many times in the past years.

Phil Tyson posted 05-28-2004 05:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil Tyson  Send Email to Phil Tyson     
THE WINDSHIELD CAME TODAY!

What a great surprise (today is my birthday). I opened the box to ensure it made the trip okay, no problems.

Wow, it looks so much darker than what is on the boat.

newt posted 05-28-2004 06:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Mine Too! Now how do I get my foot out of my mouth?
Joe Kriz posted 05-28-2004 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
newt,
I can send you a crow bar if you need one. :-)

I'm glad there a 2 so far and these are back East.
Hopefully the West Coasters will be receiving theirs this upcoming week.

Phil Tyson posted 05-28-2004 08:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil Tyson  Send Email to Phil Tyson     
Newt -

Maybe it was your calling that led to the delivery. I am happy to contribute this postive event to your efforts :)

Lest we forget a BIG THANK YOU to Tom for getting this order organized, collection and tolerating all are wining.

Thanks Tom !!

kamie posted 06-01-2004 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Mine was on the door step when I got home from the office.

Thanks again Tom for taking the lead.

Bigshot posted 06-02-2004 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I was the first to order(and pay) and not a thing on my doorstep but dirt....patience is a virtue I guess.
newt posted 06-02-2004 02:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
Bigshot, just write something derogatory, and your windshield will show up before you can retract your statement!

On another note, I didn't know we were getting tinted glass, but now that the windshield is installed, I have to say it looks great!

Sammy posted 06-02-2004 09:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sammy  Send Email to Sammy     
It's heeere.

Joe K. - Thanks for getting the ball rolling.

Tom C. - Thanks for picking up the torch and running.

Pete E. - It took a while, but the product is great and done at a very reasonable price. Thanks to you, too.

The hull is totally torn down and the cleaning/polishing/waxing nearly complete. Brightwork is as far as I'm taking it right now (felt like some kind of varnish junkie - 'c'mon, just one more coat') and looking forward to reassembly and launch.

Rick Dewees posted 06-03-2004 10:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
No windshield sightings today? That is four reported received out of about 25± ordered. I guess we are gaining on it.

BS, I was patient in March, I was patient in April, I was patient in May, June...yet to be determined.

Joe Kriz posted 06-03-2004 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Sammy,

Good for you.. It looks like things are moving further West.
Sammy is in Minnesota....

Rick,
What was that old hunting saying?
Patience my As_, I want to Kill Something..... :-)

Maybe us West Coasters will have it by the end of the season. This way, we can install it over the Winter. Whatever. It looks like the windshields are being shipped out.

Joe Kriz posted 06-04-2004 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
THERE HERE.......

I got mine on the West Coast today.. It is already installed along with new Well-Nuts and 1 1/2" black striping for the console from Magic Brush.
Looks like new. :-)

The fit was exactly like my old one and looks the same except the tint is a little darker. Maybe the tint fades with age?

How's the fit for everyone else?

Just For everyone's information, mine came without a stamp on it saying Egan-DeYoung or just Egan, or anything.

Joe Kriz posted 06-04-2004 04:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Almost forgot.

Thanks for doing the leg work and getting these ordered Tom Clark.

Great Job............

small craft advisory posted 06-08-2004 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for small craft advisory  Send Email to small craft advisory     
Received mine in Seattle on Saturday. Thanks for all the help Tom!

Lance.....

Plotman posted 06-08-2004 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Are others not on the West Coast still waiting for their windsheilds? Nothing for me in Minnesota as of today's delivery...
whalercop posted 06-08-2004 03:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalercop  Send Email to whalercop     
I am still patiently waiting for mine too, on the east coast. Tom told me a while back that he was shipping out the first ones he made, maybe the ones that have been shipped were in the first batch? I guess I should order my bow windshield now so I can get it before next season. If Pete can do it.
bamatenn posted 06-08-2004 03:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for bamatenn  Send Email to bamatenn     
No deliveries to the south yet. Still waiting in Alabama.
Egan is slow.
bamatenn posted 06-09-2004 09:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for bamatenn  Send Email to bamatenn     
This thread should stay on top until all windshields are shipped and received. Payment has been made so its time to deliver.
JaySul posted 06-15-2004 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for JaySul  Send Email to JaySul     
Mine arrived last week. I was away and not notified by my bride, who doesn't understand the importance of changing out a perfectly good windshield. I haven't even had the chance to look at it yet. Once again, many thanks to Tom for his efforts.
Jay
Tom W Clark posted 06-16-2004 05:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
For the record, I received my two windshields on Saturday June 5th. They both arrived undamaged.

I would like to hear from those who have not received their windshields. Actually I would like to get an email or post from everybody so I can check you off the list one by one.

I am very upset that not everybody has received their windshields. I really cannot imagine what is going on with Egan. He continues to be non-responsive.

Rick Dewees posted 06-16-2004 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
I haven't received a windshield, nor a response to email inquiry.

Rick

bamatenn posted 06-17-2004 04:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for bamatenn  Send Email to bamatenn     
Tom,

I have not received a windshield.

Ken Towry

Rick Dewees posted 06-18-2004 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Any recent deliveries? Tom, whats the headcount?
Tom W Clark posted 06-19-2004 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Rick,

As far as I know, only 10 windshields have been delivered and all of them seem to have been shipped in the first week in June.

There was a total of 26 windshields ordered.

onlyawhaler posted 06-19-2004 04:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Not yet, I ordered two

Onlyawhaler

Slippery Eel posted 06-21-2004 10:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Slippery Eel  Send Email to Slippery Eel     
Tom,

I received mine in the Phila area. It came in around 6/2.

Hutch

Bigshot posted 06-21-2004 11:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Got mine on 6/2 as well....newt was right, it was on my porch when I got home from work. No damage, not fond of the tint but at least it will match my front newport shield when I get around to making it.
Rick Dewees posted 06-21-2004 06:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Following an email inquiry , I received a call from Pete Egan advising that my windshield was being shipped today and providing a UPS tracking number. I was told that it should arrive in four days.
Rick Dewees posted 06-28-2004 03:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
I received the windshield this afternoon. I haven't taken it out to the boat yet to assess the fit. Has anyone installed theirs yet? Any problems?

Am I the last to receive shipment?

donel posted 06-28-2004 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for donel  Send Email to donel     
Following an email inquiry ( this A.M. ) all is still quiet.
Rick, you probably are the latest - hopefully not the last.

Still looking for two.

Anyone else still hanging?
Don

Rick Dewees posted 06-28-2004 06:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
donel,

I sent an email to Pete Egan,

peteboat@earthlink.net

pointing out the time element, asked for the status of the order, and copied Tom Clark. I received a phone call within minutes advising that the windshield was being sent. It was shipped that evening as described in the previous message. It might work a second time.

Sammy posted 06-28-2004 11:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sammy  Send Email to Sammy     
Rick -

You asked about installation. Mine went on with no problems, in fact I couldn't see how it would have fit any better than it did.

Really hope yours, and any that are still pending, arrives soon.

Rick Dewees posted 06-28-2004 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Sammy,

My windshield's installation wasn't quite as easy as you and Joe Kriz describe. The holes in the front didn't quite match up and weren't quite evenly spaced. They were off by 1/16" here and there. I had a few tense moments but the rubber well nuts had enough give in them to allow room to finally tighten down flush...with enough cussin' and spittin'. The finished product looks pretty good but getting to this point has really been an ordeal. Once all orders are in, I think we need an 'after action report' with some explanations.

whalercop posted 07-06-2004 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalercop  Send Email to whalercop     
Any new shipments? The thread was getting low on the page. July 6th and still nothing- I emailed Pete, and no reply. Tom, you had any contact with him recently? How many are still waiting?
bamatenn posted 07-06-2004 11:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for bamatenn  Send Email to bamatenn     
I have also e-mailed Egan and he has not replied. I checked with with the Better Business Bureau (BBB) which serves the Brockton, MA area. There was no imformation available on the company called PG Plastics. I gave the BBB the phone number, physcial address, e-mail address and web page of PG Plastics so that they could develop a profile. They did have a profile on Egan Acrylics and no complaints been filed. I have not yet filed a BBB complaint on Egan Acrylics or PG Plastics. I will be filing a complaint after July 15th. That allows 90 days for shipping. His original commitment was April 15th.

Ken

Tom W Clark posted 07-06-2004 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Andy,

As far as I know, there have been shipments to 11 of 22 people who ordered which presents a total of 12 windshields out of 26 paid for.

This is terrible. I have held my tongue a bit hoping Egan would come through. It is now time for small claims court.

I ordered two windshields and have given one away. I am willing to give my other one away at some point if it helps one of you get a needed windshield but it's not going to solve this very unfortunate situation for everybody.

Rick,

My windshields also showed up with poorly positioned holes. One windshield even had a portion of its edge unpolished showing the saw marks from the rough-out.

The color is wrong. Too dark, not like what Whaler used originally. It does not look bad though, just not original.

All in all I am very disappointed in Peter Egan. I will never do business with him again and I feel he has really blown an opportunity to pick up a nice piece of business with all the Whaler fanatics who may need replacement windshields. Imagine how many Whalers there are out there with these things on them growing older every year.

Rick Dewees posted 07-06-2004 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
Tom,

My sentiments exactly.

As you know, mine had misfit holes, seemed to be a lighter guage plastic than original, and also had questionable finish quality on the edges. The color is different, but as you pointed out, it doesn't look too bad. Since my last post, it has developed a crack in the corner probably due to temperature changes and the stress of trying to fit a misfit. I will probably do some glue and drill work on mine to get to work. I can't imagine going through this again.

Tom W Clark posted 07-06-2004 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Rick,

I have an OEM windshield from 1986. It is stamped "EGAN-DeYOUNG".

Both the new and the original windshields have exactly the same shape and are made from the exact same thickness of plastic (I put the calipers on them both just now). I can detect no difference in the stiffness of either.

As far as color, they are clearly different shades with the new one being much darker than the original.

Placing them face to face I can can see a variation of up to 1/8" in the mounting holes positions.

The original windshield has much smoother edges.

TexasWhaler posted 07-06-2004 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Tom Clark quaote in response to Plotmans post:
"David,

That's apples and oranges.

I've seen home made windshields that are well done. The plexi is not expensive, but we are talking about an OEM part here that matches perfectly. It will have all the curves and notches in the right places and edges will be finished.

No way in hell you could make one of these in 15 minutes, but hey, if you can do it for less, I'll let you have a go of it."

How do you know what he can and cannot make in 15 minutes? That was an insulting response.

Also, "an OEM part here that matches perfectly" as you stated above. INCORRECT

Do you have any plans to apologize to the forum members for leading them to believe they were going to receive OEM quality windshields for their money?

What were you thinking???? Do you think you should have ordered one or two from this guy before bringing others into your "grand" plan that was so superior to any other suggestions like the one from Plotman? Or the beautiful windshield hauptjm got from Twin Cities Marine that you rudely blew off?

The forum members that were invloved in this purchase seem very forgiving, understanding, and open to others ideas. You should be more like them.

newt posted 07-06-2004 02:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
WHOA Texas,

That was an uncalled for post. Just because Peter Egan turned out to be a tool, you can't blame Tom for trying to arrainge a good deal on OEM windshields for the rest of us.

TexasWhaler posted 07-06-2004 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
You're right newt.

I guess it was just frustration built up after continuously watching Mr. Clark slam people for ideas that may conflict with his own.

There are times, when someone is wrong about something factual, like myself and others have been, and Mr. Clark is right their to pounce on them.

You can correct or disagree with someone without being rude or condescending. Many of Mr. Clark's disagreements or corrections are just that.

I think the other forum members deserve a little more respect and consideration from him at times.

Rick Dewees posted 07-06-2004 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
I believe that Tom went into this, like with the rps legs, expecting to help get OEM quality parts for the participants. He has a pretty good track record in that regard.

Tom: My original windshield is stamped 'Taylor Made'. It sure feels thicker and more rigid. I haven't measured yet, but will do so.

Thanks,
Rick

Plotman posted 07-06-2004 03:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Texas -

Back off, dude. Yes, the situation sucks (I'm waiting for a windshield), but it certainly isn't Tom's fault. Any blame rests solidly and solely with Pete Egan.

It really wasn't much of a stretch to expect that one of the OEM windshield producers would be able to produce a replacement windshield to OEM specs. Further, people on this forum had ordered windshields from Eagan in the past with good results, it was not unreasonable to expect that again. I was thrilled that Tom was willing to orchestrate this (at NO markup whatsoever, BTW), so I ordered one.

I got a taste of this this spring when I spent a lot of time trying to figure out a way to have some RPS pivot frames made that matched those available from Whaler for less than the $115 they charge. Well, it turned out to be a lot tougher than I had suspected - near-enough to impossible that I went ahead and ordered from Twin Cities.

Furthermore, it was Tom's message to me that you quoted. I'm a big boy and can stand up for myself, if need be, thanks very much. I didn't take his message as condecending. And did you see my reply to his message - I'd made an arithmetic mistake regarding how many pieces you could get from a 4x8 sheet that more than doubled the raw materials cost from my initial guess.

Anyway, we already have the board police in the form of our earstwhile moderator, we don't need another one.

David

elaelap posted 07-06-2004 04:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
I'm not a member of the group that bought windshields from Egan, so I have absolutely no axe to grind in this matter.

Beginning a couple of months ago, Tom Clark has discussed this matter with me at least five times, expressing his dismay and diasppointment with Egan and seeking advice about how to force Egan to perform as promised. We discussed elaborate plans such as having all purchasers assign their rights under their purchase contract to one member living in Egan's jurisdiction and bringing a lawsuit for specific performance and damages, as well as more modest proposals such as individual small claims lawsuits, Better Business Bureau complaints, personal calls and visits from members living close by, and other ideas. I've tried to explain that the nature of the dispute, with potential litigants scattered all over the country and the potential defendant performing, albeit slowly, makes the problem a very difficult one to resolve via court action. For these reasons I've advised patience, fearing that if legal action was commenced Egan would just 'shut up shop' and not even think of completing the final group of windshields.

Other than having greatly benefitted personally from Tom's advice and generosity over the almost two years I've been a member here, I have no stake in the current situation; I've never even met Tom face to face; and Tom certainly doesn't need (nor has he requested) any defense or support from me regarding this unfortunate situation. But I just read TexasWhaler's post above, and felt I had to add my two cents at this point. Beginning with our first contact about this problem, Tom has expressed to me his feeling that somehow he has let the participating CW members down because the windshields weren't delivered in a timely fashion. Despite repeated attempts on my part to reassure him that Egan's behavior was not Tom's fault, Tom continues to express extreme frustration, anger, and even guilt about Egan's screw-ups, which, in my opinion, are not Tom's fault at all. The situation would be entirely different if Tom had organized the purchasing group as a money-making opportunity for himself, and then sub-contracted the work out to an unreliable producer...Tom might in such case have some sort of legal and ethical liability, and might well have reason to feel 'guilty.' This, however, was not the case at all. As he's done frequently in the past at this site, Tom gave dozens of hours of his time and a great deal of energy to put this project together, not for personal profit but because it gave him pleasure to help twenty or so CW members all at the same time, rather than one at a time as he has assisted me and many others with Whaler-oriented problems.

It is my considered professional opinion that absolutely no legal liability attaches to Tom in this matter--that should be obvious. Much more importantly, it is my considered personal opinion that Tom's actions in this regard have been and are ethically flawless, and instead of folks attacking him for Egan's failures, we should commiserate with Tom for the misplaced burden he has been carrying since mid-April, when it first became apparent that Egan would not perform as promised. I'll repeat publically what I've told Tom privately on several occasions: 'That's what you get for being a nice guy.'

Tony

Rick Dewees posted 07-06-2004 04:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Rick Dewees  Send Email to Rick Dewees     
No good deed goes unpunished.
elaelap posted 07-06-2004 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Exactly what I was trying to say in my fumbling, verbose manner, Rick!
TexasWhaler posted 07-06-2004 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Plotman,
I'll repeat what I told newt, that is wasn't necessarily the windshield issue, but the frustration built up after continuously watching Mr. Clark slam people for ideas that may conflict with his own.

There are times, when someone is wrong about something factual, like myself and others have been, and Mr. Clark is right their to pounce on them.

You can correct or disagree with someone without being rude or condescending. Many of Mr. Clark's disagreements or corrections are just that.

I think the other forum members deserve a little more respect and consideration from him at times.

Mr. Clark is obviously, from what I've seen, a very knowledgable person, especially in the realm of Whalers. I just know that some of his posts, when pointing out factual faults or disagreeing with another forum members, have been unecessarily harsh and demeaning.

In this string, your and hauptjm's inputs were great ideas that got rudely dismissed, and your miscalculations did not justify his response.

I'm not trying to "police" or "moderate" anyone or anything. I just feel the need to say something when someone gets unfairly thrashed.

I'm sorry to have included you in this, I thought
I was just being a friend.

elaelap posted 07-06-2004 05:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Maybe it's just a style thing, TW -- Tom's 'slammed' me for blundering, novice comments here on the board with comments like, "Tony, tony, tony...there you go again," and then followed up with helpful advice. I think he's got a wicked, dry sense of humor, and I can see where in the wrong mood someone might view his wit as 'slam.' I feel I've gotten to know him a little over the past several months via email and telephone conversations, and he's anything but a condescending, ego-trippin' guy...just the opposite.

Anyway, I think this whole mess doesn't have to cause ill feelings among us...we're all on the same side when it comes to our love of Whalers and boating, and Tom was and is only trying his damndest to help.

Tony

TexasWhaler posted 07-06-2004 05:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Point taken Tony. I'll try to remember that the next time I blow my top.

Thanks for understanding.

elaelap posted 07-06-2004 05:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Thanks for yours, TexasWhaler. By the way, it felt funny using initials for your handle..."TW" is what I scratch on letters and documents--T-ony W-ilde.

Best,

Tony

peetmin posted 07-07-2004 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin    
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000684.html
Phil Tyson posted 07-08-2004 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Phil Tyson  Send Email to Phil Tyson     
I was part of the order and agree with Tony and David.

I have not gotten around to installing mine yet.

I appreciate Tom's efforts and all the advice that you guys have given.

I have learned that forum messages are sometimes hard to read since the intent of the message is not clear. A helpful comment may read as a slam. I have gotten feedback like this and have also given it too.

Sometimes we get a bit worked up over something that is not that important. It is just a stupid windshield afterall.

The recent news of Tom's mom and Sal remind us what is truly important.


bamatenn posted 07-20-2004 12:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for bamatenn  Send Email to bamatenn     
I still waiting for a windshield and/or a response from Egan. He has not replied to my e-mails and the phone listed below is not in service. Does anyone have another phone number? The only thing I can do at this point is file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. If anyone would like to do the same the Boston area BBB (www.bosbbb.org) has the
following information recorded on Egan.

ID: 80070
Company name: Boat Plastics Windshields
Egan Acrylics
Company address: 764 N. Main Street
Brockton, MA 02301
See the location on a map
Principal: Peter Eagan, Complaint Handler
Phone number: 508-583-7230
BBB Membership Status: Not a BBB Member
Type of business: BOAT EQUIPMENT-SUPPLIES & SERVICES

newt posted 07-20-2004 01:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
I believe the # is: (508) 427-0843

http://www.boatplastics.com
Tom W Clark posted 07-22-2004 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Everybody,

Wow! I've been away for a while and am now just getting caught up a bit. Let me tell you all what little I've learned since the beginning of the month.

I spoke with Peter Egan on (I think) Wednesday July 7th. He returned a phone message I had left him the day before. He told me he was finishing a move of his business and was a bit behind. He assured me he would ship the remaining windshields the next day.

Peter also said he would email me with UPS tracking numbers as confirmation. He never did. This did not come as a surprise to me and he does not have much credibilty left in my mind.

Rick,

That's interesting info about the Taylor Made windshield. We knbow that Taylor Made was the OEM before Egan De-Young. Can you measure the thickness of your old one or otherwise quantify/qualify the difference(s)?

TexasWhaler,

While I am not interested in deconstructing every post I have contributed to the CW Forum over the last few years I certainly can respond to some of your questions and concerns.

What was I thinking? That's very simple. I was thinking that we were ordering windshields made by a descendent of the OEM supplier of these windshileds to Boston Whaler and that therefore they would be fabricated to the same specifications as the origianls. Previous discussion of OEM winshields ordered from Egan's business tended to confirm that this was possible.

I furthermore thought that at a unit price of $100 it would be a good deal for those who were looking for such a windshield given that other sources cost as much as $250.

All in all I still believe these were reasonable things to think. If you disagree with that, then so be it.

My enthusiam for this project was buoyed somewhat by the success of similar deals for group purchases of OEM Whaler parts that I helped orchestrate. While many have suggested group purchases, I have followed through to the best of my ability.

In this case it did not work very well at all and as I have said before more than once, I am very dissapointed. You ask about an apology and here they are:

I am sorry the windshields have not been what they were represented to be.

I am sorry I ever suggested this group purchase and then arranged it.

I am sorry I have wasted so much of my time pursuing this.

I am sorry that it apparently is still not fully resolved.

I will never bother trying to organize a deal like this again; it's just not worth it.

As to my general tone and style on the forum, it is what it is. "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."

Getting back to the windshields themselves, I spoke with Nick Manukas and he mentioned soemthing I had suspected about the color of the Plexiglas. It may well be that what Egan used is the closest shade currenlty available on the market. Like I said, it does not look bad, just not the same as the original.

If anybody has a source for Plexiglas that DOES match, please let us know.

donel posted 07-22-2004 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for donel  Send Email to donel     
After long silence from everywhere:
no email responses from anyone
no calls returned

Today a voice on the answer machine - 'This is Pete & your windshields are shipping today'

It's only been 4 1/2 months - have faith

Bigshot posted 07-22-2004 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
What I also told Tom was that plexi comes in clear and smoke for the most part. Being Pete is doing these for REAL cheap, I "assume" he purchased the cheaper plexi to save money. What I like about the darker tint is that when I make a new splash shield for the front of my Newport, it will match my new windshield because I can only get the smoke plexi unless I want to buy in bulk a custom order of lighter smoke. Hell I can get blue, red, pink, etc if I want to pay for it...smoke looks fine to me.
TexasWhaler posted 07-22-2004 05:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for TexasWhaler  Send Email to TexasWhaler     
Tom,

My behavior was out of line. I sincerely apologize for my tantrum.

Please don't stop doing the great things you do for the forum members just because of an idiot like myself.

Hotheads, like myself, really need to step back and take a look at our behavior, and who it effects.

Regards.

WhalinWilly posted 08-12-2004 12:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for WhalinWilly  Send Email to WhalinWilly     
Hi Tom,
I'm going to bump this thread up. Seems there is a problem with the rest of the windshields and I want to stress that I know that it is no fault of yours.

You emailed me the other day and I really appreciated your concern. I have been gone for 4 months and so have not stayed up with the progress. My concern now is that the quality of the windshield is not up to par and whether or not I was going to receive it anyway.

Tomorrow Tom I was going to try and get a hold this outfit and cancel my order. What I need from you I guess is the purchase order number and anything else that is relative to these windshields.

Any Input appreciated

Thanks
Bill Lewis

bamatenn posted 08-12-2004 05:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for bamatenn  Send Email to bamatenn     
Just my luck. Last week I installed a new windshield on my Montauk which I ordered from Twin Cities Marine. It cost around $240 but I received within 10 days. I got tired of waiting on Egan to deliver the ones we ordered in March.
When I got home today there was a windshield from Egan on my porch.

Ken

Plotman posted 08-19-2004 06:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Got mine today.
Tom W Clark posted 08-19-2004 08:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
David,

Wow! After all this time they arrive huh? With you checked off the list that leaves just three guys who (as far as I know) have not received theirs.

It now seems that Egan is indeed working his way down the list but this is excruciatingly slow. I would imagine that an efficient fabricator would set up for a production run and then get them all done at once.

I truly do not understand this relatively simple order could be so difficult and painful to complete.

I hope the remaining few orders are filled soon and we can put this all behind us.

Sigh.

WhalinWilly posted 08-21-2004 11:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for WhalinWilly  Send Email to WhalinWilly     
I received my windshield yesterday finally. Those of you that have not received yours yet I urge you to call Mr. Egan a this number,( 508-427-0843 ). Call often and at least leave a message.

Thanks again Tom,

Bill

onlyawhaler posted 08-21-2004 05:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
I just recieved one windshield yesterday. I ordered two, perhaps the second is coming. Matches up on the screw holes perfectly. Looks sharp

Thanks Tom

Sterling
Onlyawhaler

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