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Rotten posted 11-16-2013 07:35 PM ET (US)
I'm going to look at a 17 Outrage tomorrow. It is a 1992. Anything specific I should be looking for on this particular hull. It has a 2009 Yamaha 2 stroke 90 HP, Do you think it is under powered? Any info is appreciated. Thanks
PeteB88 posted 11-16-2013 10:59 PM ET (US)
Depends on what you're looking for. I have a 95 w/ 115 Johnson, same year, probably low hours - incredible boat. Special boat. Most are powered w/ 115, I think max is 130. My bet is Yamaha 2 stroke will be just fine - depending on your needs. Should do everything you need it to do.
That Outrage 17 vintage is just a damn nice boat, I take my into Lake Michigan (live right next to it) all the time in some nasty stuff, chop crazy wave patterns going through pier heads w/ river current, lots of boat and motor yacht wakes, choppy Lake Mich and it does extremely well for a 17 foot boat. I have talked to many Montauk owners who went to Outrage 17 ( and not fair weather boaters) because of the Outrage hull design, better ride, better in nasty stuff, cuts waves and on and on.
What are you looking for? There are no drawbacks to Outrage 17 as far as I'm concerned. I don't fault Montauks either -
Rotten posted 11-17-2013 04:10 AM ET (US)
Thanks PeteB88, I am grateful for your info. I was just wondering if there was anything particular to that year or model to be on the lookout for. Thanks,if any has information they thin I should know, Please chime in. Thank you,
saumon posted 11-17-2013 07:52 AM ET (US)
I don't think it will be underpowered. That particular model is sometimes described as stern-weight sensitive so a lightweight engine is desirable.
I have a 1991 of the same model with an E-Tec 90hp and can reach 40mph with a light load on glass-like conditions but can do 38mph anyday. It also sip gas.
As said, it's a terrific boat.
martyn1075 posted 11-17-2013 12:35 PM ET (US)
This boat is a complete DOG! I mean genuine salty dog that is. Small but mighty easy to trailer and reasonable in price. I'm still kicking myself about passing up on a beauty for 8K at the time that was a steal. One thing I didn't like was a factory stern option that had a bait tank and storage. Great idea but it takes up a great deal of space in this boat due to its stature and it may end up adding unfavorable weight.
Martyn
Rotten posted 11-17-2013 05:27 PM ET (US)
I'll be picking her up at 6 pm tomorrow!!!!!!! I can't wait to own a Boston Whaler once again!!! It's not as big as Vicious but it'll due!!! As I said before " I'm Back!!!"
Phil T posted 11-18-2013 06:56 PM ET (US)
As it has been stated, the Outrage 17 I (1990-1995) is sensitive to engine weight. The classic Yamaha 90 hp is a light and very reliable so kudos' to you!!!
I owned a 1991 model for 7 years and still miss her....
With the motor mounted at least 2 holes up and a good stainless propeller, you will enjoy speed!
Post some photos when you have a chance.
PeteB88 posted 11-19-2013 02:11 AM ET (US)
Good for you and welcome to an elite club with few members! Phil T knows this boat model for sure and I agree with him, the Yamaha will probably be just fine. I am curious about what stern configuration you have - my boat has quarter seats with a removable compartment in the middle with lid which I think is great. It's interesting that passengers often find their way back and ride those seats. I assume your boat has a swim ladder - super nice for us when we go to the beaches on Lake Mich.
My boat just makes 40 or so MPH, plenty fast and I had the motor raised up by Lockeman's and got a MPH or 3. I don't get all hung up on that - she rolls along just fine.
Post some photos.
Congratulations.
PeteB88 posted 11-19-2013 02:11 AM ET (US)
Rotten - where in FL are you located?
saumon posted 11-19-2013 06:11 AM ET (US)
I don't know if it could help but here's some "improvements" I made to mine over the last year.
PeteB88 posted 11-19-2013 12:48 PM ET (US)
Very nice, I've seen these shots before. Did you cut hole in console floor for batteries? Previous owner did that on my boat - I have one battery and adding a second sometime soon. I'm not sure that hole makes any sense except freeing up space in the console.
saumon posted 11-19-2013 07:30 PM ET (US)
Yes, I cut the holes. It save some space but the deck is also a lot stronger than the 1/2" plywood shelf to support the 120lbs of batteries.
Rotten posted 11-20-2013 06:59 PM ET (US)
OK Gentlemen, sorry for the delayed response but some unfortunate circumstances came up and I did'nt want to jump the gun. Shortly before picking up the boat the seller put the sale on hold citing family issues (his father did'nt want him to sell) So, I waited holding my breath and alas she is mine!! I just picked her up and I have her sitting in the driveway waiting til daylight to play with my new toy. I'm very excited and want to thank all for the info. P.S. I am in Port St. Lucie Florida transplanted from Babylon Long Island NY.
PeteB88 posted 11-21-2013 03:08 AM ET (US)
Whew - Glad you pulled it off. We have good friend who winters in Melbourne who we visit often. He is looking for a boat like yours for up his way. He has a 13 in SW Michigan but Outrage 17 or 18 would be perfect for his use intent. We went down your way last trip and I was impressed with the area. What a great place to have an Outrage 17! Enjoy it.
PeteB88 posted 11-21-2013 03:12 AM ET (US)
Interestingly the previous owner of my boat didn't want to let it go - we got into a bit of a tangle about it, he was really on the fence and misty eyed when I hitched it up and was ready to pull away. Funny he gave me a ton of stuff and when I was loading he refused to let me put stuff in the boat - like frames he built to support the tarp for winter storage, boxes of stuff etc - He said "oh no, nothing goes in the boat when it's trailered...." I thought to my self "I own this boat now buckaroo..." but it was emotional. So I started piling stuff in and on top of my 4 Runner, and when he left to go to work, I threw what I needed to in the boat and got the hell out of there -
Rotten posted 11-21-2013 04:14 AM ET (US)
Pete, there is a 17 on Craigslist right now in Miami for I think 9000.00 I believe its a 1995 with a Johnson if hes interested. I dont think this guy was really interested in letting it go also but I think he needed the money. He called the boat "His Wife" If that were the case with me" I would definetly want to let her go!!!!" J/K Thanks for the good luck and I'll keep posting all I improve on her, First off is a good cleaning!!!
PeteB88 posted 11-21-2013 12:35 PM ET (US)
Thanks - you're right about that! I'll check the Miami Craigs and send link to Chuck. Best
PeteB88 posted 11-21-2013 12:46 PM ET (US)
It's actually a 1998 post classic. Looks real nice and possible Suzuki made Johnson (not sure - been told those are great motors - hearsay, don't know). Not sure what motor rating or OEM for that boat model.
Rotten posted 11-21-2013 01:32 PM ET (US)
Yea Mine is actually a 1991, he advertised it as a 92 but the title says 91. Any differance? I just finished re wireing the trailer,starboard side didnt work so I changed it all with new for 30 bucks.
saumon posted 11-21-2013 02:22 PM ET (US)
Some 1991 have the early "closed" transom without seats and some others have the stern quarter seats and baitwell.
Rotten posted 11-21-2013 02:34 PM ET (US)
mine has two corner seats and a well in the middle between the two. I seen the pictures of your baitwell set up that looks very interesting where does the water feed from? and exit to? Was it hard to do? That is something i would like to do on mine. Also , you moved your batteries from under the seat in the back to in the center consol? I would like to do that as well.
Rotten posted 11-21-2013 02:36 PM ET (US)
What about adding a small T top? anyone ever do that? I would like a T top instead of the Bimini top.
Phil T posted 11-21-2013 03:45 PM ET (US)
I would not install a T-top for several reasons:
-No added backer pieces in the floor to attach the top.
- Given the LOA/width ratio with this V hull, this model is "tippy". Adding a top will accentuate this more.
For non-Outrage I owners, let me explain. With a classic Montauk or Outrage 18, when you step off a dock onto the deck, the boat does not list measurably. With the Outrage 17 I, the boat does list, and can catch you off balance. When you are driving or standing at the console and a passenger goes up to the bow, the boat will heal over a measurable amount.
This is not a problem, just one attribute for this model.
Consider a bimini that stores forward in the bow. I had one and it worked great.
No major holes in the floor and console and a lot less $$$$.
saumon posted 11-21-2013 03:51 PM ET (US)

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I seen the pictures of your baitwell set up that looks very interesting where does the water feed from? and exit to? Was it hard to do?
Not hard. Water feed from one of the two thru-hull in the bottom of the bilge on which I fitted a pump and exit by gravity through the splashwell when the overflow pipe is removed.
martyn1075 posted 11-21-2013 03:53 PM ET (US)
I agree its a mighty boat but it really is still small in stature. Its 17 feet after all. The t-top to me for the reasons above would be a hassle also the looks of the 17 outrage with a top might not look that sharp. A nice thing about the 17 foot outrage is that one could fit it in their standard size garage. T-top version not a chance.
Martyn
Rotten posted 11-21-2013 05:10 PM ET (US)
The boat came with a Bimini top but I dont like the fact it blocks the sides when fighting large fish and you have to shuffle sround. The T Top would eliminate that. Have you ever seen a 17 Outrage with a T Top? There is no wood in the deck at all?
martyn1075 posted 11-21-2013 06:15 PM ET (US)
Rotten that problem you mentioned goes with any Whaler with a bimini. Its the way they are designed. T-top will fix that problem thats for sure but they have some serious considerations to be determined.
Martyn
Phil T posted 11-21-2013 06:43 PM ET (US)
There are narrow strips of embedded wood for attaching the console.
You could fabricate a modified L bracket to include tabs at the corners of the console on the floor to mount a top, the lateral instability will be pronounced due to the added weight above the gunnel.
One option which has been has been widely discussed is a T-Topless by RNR Marine. Do a search (under NEW TOPIC).
http://www.rnr-marine.com/Montauk-T-Topless.shtml
If I, personally, had to have a top for this model, I would go with a T-Topless since it will provide the cover, not impinge on the narrow walkway to the bow and is not as heavy as a typical T-Top.
PeteB88 posted 11-21-2013 11:02 PM ET (US)
Rotten - I agree with Phil, I spend a lot of time on my Outrage 17 and he is dead on; you have to worry about what you are going to bolt a T top to. Plus he's pulled up the deck panels on his boat and know what's underneath. It is tippier than other models but not horrible. I actually bought Phil's Mills Bimini from his Outrage 17 and it is installed on my boat most of the time. I use it sometimes. It's a great addition and great to have when we need it. Whaler has prints available that show mounting points for each boat.
Not sure how you intend to use the boat but it's not a Bertram or Tiara sportfishing boat. We fish with ours all the time - it's great but we understand the advantages and limitations. I have one fishin pal who says only two people can fish out of it - but he brings have his worldly possessions every trip, packs the boat to the gunwales.
I assume you need shelter from hot sun when you fish - that's a consideration. Perhaps you call Mills and talk to Suzanne for ideas specific to your use. We've fished with Bimini up and it gets a bit crazy but we make it work.
You'll figure it out.
Rotten posted 11-22-2013 03:31 AM ET (US)
PhilT That is perfect!! I believe the T Topless is the way to go. That will kill my 2 birds with one stone, shade for my wife and I and no infringment on the sides like the Bimini has. Thank you for the suggestion. It's good to have this resource to get to converse with people who know thier stuff. Believe me, you guys have not heard the last from me, I'm sure (if you dont mind) I'll have alot more questions pertaining to this model. Thanks
saumon posted 11-22-2013 04:07 PM ET (US)
Great! Now, you know that it's mandatory to set up an online photo album (picasa, photobucket, etc.) so WE can see that boat, right?
Rotten posted 11-23-2013 04:03 AM ET (US)
Yes, I'll have to do that. I had a photobucket account from way back,I'll see if I can ressurect it.
Rotten posted 11-23-2013 09:36 AM ET (US)
Do I use regular Automatic Transmission fluid in the tilt motor?
Phil T posted 11-24-2013 09:53 AM ET (US)
No, that is not the appropriate type.
Here is the OEM via Andy at SIM Yamaha.
http://www.simyamaha.com/Yamaha_Performance_Power_Trim_and_Tilt_Fluid_p/ acc-pwrtr-mf-32.htm
PeteB88 posted 11-24-2013 11:05 AM ET (US)
It's in the manual - learned almost the hard way not to get creative regarding manufacturer's recommendations for fuel, lubricants etc. especially with 2 stroke engines.
PeteB88 posted 11-24-2013 12:13 PM ET (US)
I think the following (story) is significant. My wild buddy blew up two OMC outboards on his 1971 Outrage 21 (ribbed) before he bought a 200 FICHT. Now that setup was freaking awesome - major hole shot and over 50 WOT. I saw him pull multiple tubes full of kids and adults no problem. He had a plethora of FICHT issues until he finally said enough and repowered with an ETEC last year. He struggled between 200 or close (not sure of HP options) because he did not want to lose top end and hole shot and ultimately decided on ETEC 150 HP. He confirmed some loss of power and top speed (not much) but he is perfectly happy with the decision (and he does not play). In fact I saw him Thursday when I was winterizing my 1995 115 and he said "hey man, all I have to do is push a button.... Hehehe, get off your wallet!" - and he went on to say the 150 choice was perfect for his boat, plenty of power, smaller and lighter. That might influence me to go 90 ETEC instead of 115 when I repower.
Rotten posted 12-17-2013 05:33 PM ET (US)
I have a photobucket account but cant figure out how to post the pics, could someone help me? Thanks
saumon posted 12-17-2013 11:06 PM ET (US)
You can't directly post images here, you need to share the link (URL address) to your photo album
Rotten posted 12-18-2013 06:51 AM ET (US)
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Rotten posted 12-18-2013 07:06 AM ET (US)
This is frustrating!! I finally got a link up and it says I deleted the image. Its still there on my account, but not on this site. Puzzling!!
Rotten posted 12-18-2013 07:14 AM ET (US)
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Rotten posted 12-18-2013 07:19 AM ET (US)
I GIVE UP!!!!!
Rotten posted 12-18-2013 07:27 AM ET (US)
This is my last attempt
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saumon posted 12-18-2013 02:14 PM ET (US)
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/threecjohnny/JohnnysWhaler.jpg
Nice boat!
Rotten posted 12-18-2013 04:16 PM ET (US)
Thank You!!!
PeteB88 posted 12-18-2013 05:32 PM ET (US)
I've got one of those - wanna race?? Bet the Yamaha kicks a&%
You will really like it - I went to boat barn two days ago and sat at the helm in down jacket, in the dark and made some phone calls - put the cover on it 'till Spring. I'd rather rinse salt water for sure.
We Outrage 17 owners are a sub clan of CW - let's stay in touch.
Rotten posted 12-18-2013 07:13 PM ET (US)
Will do Pete, I have not got her wet yet. I just need to get a few more little things ironed out. So far I Drained and completely cleaned out the fuel tank. Replaced Fuel Filter/ Water seperator. New sending unit (fuel gauge did'nt work) Totally Re-wired the trailer. Filled in all the nicks in the Gelcoat with Marine tex. Filled in all the spider cracks in the gelcoat wit CA glue. ( it really works great for this purpose it dries clear and fills in the smallest of cracks) Re rigged my Anchor to the Ty wrap system with the shackle on the bottom (in case of a hang up) Mounted a new Fire extinguisher. Put new 15 inch tires and rims on the trailer. Put in new Perko on /off switch. Changed lower unit gearcase oil. Changed out Tilt/Trim fluid. Put in a new Stereo. Washed and Waxed her. It has Lenco trim tabs so I dont have a swim platform. I want to make the well in the rear a livewell next. She is insured and registered. I will sign up with Boat U.S. next week and put her in the water. Got to think up a good name for her. My 320 Outrage was named "Vicious" so I was thinking "Lil Vicious" But I'm not sure. Maybe "Outrageous" I'm still debating.
saumon posted 12-18-2013 07:52 PM ET (US)
I'm jealous that you mention putting her in the water soon! Here's mine, but you could mentally add two foot of snow...
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6GV62BnzFLQ/UrJCUfv8d6I/AAAAAAAAAbM/ bNV7Hu-IkRI/w1139-h855-no/tarp.jpg
Rotten posted 12-19-2013 07:04 AM ET (US)
I am a transplant from Long Island to South Florida. I don't miss that white stuff AT ALL!!!! I talked to my sister the other day and it was snowing up there. It was 80 degrees and sunny down here!! If I never see another snowflake in my life, that would be fine with me. South Florida is great!!!
gvisko posted 12-20-2013 03:37 PM ET (US)
Hi Guys what do you think about installing a T-Top on a 17' outrage 11 ?
Stryker has one on a 1997 outrage 11 and it looks good/
Phil T posted 12-24-2013 02:33 PM ET (US)
George -
While this thread is discussing a Outrage 17 I (1990-1995), you are referring to an Outrage 17 II (1998-1999) . A boat that has completely different dimensions and design.
A T-top on an Outrage 17 II would be a great addition. It was offered as an option.
Note Jerry Townsend's comments on this thread. He owns one (or did).
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000553.html
Galtfan has photos linked on this thread (bottom)
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/011815.html
Regards.
Rotten posted 02-02-2014 06:18 AM ET (US)
Well, I just had to do it
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Rotten posted 02-02-2014 06:26 AM ET (US)
I just cant figure this stuff out!
Rotten posted 02-02-2014 06:28 AM ET (US)
I copy and paste the url and nothing. Very frustrating to me!!!
Tom W Clark posted 02-02-2014 11:13 AM ET (US)
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/ubbcode.html
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Rotten posted 02-02-2014 12:20 PM ET (US)
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95Outrage17 posted 02-02-2014 06:09 PM ET (US)
The T-top looks really great! I assume it's custom? Does the boat handle with the top? I'd like to have a one on mine, but I've always thought it would make the boat less stable in rough water.
- Chris
Rotten posted 02-03-2014 05:56 AM ET (US)
Porpoises a little more with the top in the chop when going fast but thats about it. Worth every penny. Had a local guy custom fabricate it for me ,it wieghs only 50 pounds total.
Rotten posted 02-03-2014 09:02 AM ET (US)
Sorry for the duplicate post but the post at 12:22 was differant from the other two.

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Author	Topic: 1992 Outrage 17
Rotten	posted 11-16-2013 07:35 PM ET (US) I'm going to look at a 17 Outrage tomorrow. It is a 1992. Anything specific I should be looking for on this particular hull. It has a 2009 Yamaha 2 stroke 90 HP, Do you think it is under powered? Any info is appreciated. Thanks
PeteB88	posted 11-16-2013 10:59 PM ET (US) Depends on what you're looking for. I have a 95 w/ 115 Johnson, same year, probably low hours - incredible boat. Special boat. Most are powered w/ 115, I think max is 130. My bet is Yamaha 2 stroke will be just fine - depending on your needs. Should do everything you need it to do. That Outrage 17 vintage is just a damn nice boat, I take my into Lake Michigan (live right next to it) all the time in some nasty stuff, chop crazy wave patterns going through pier heads w/ river current, lots of boat and motor yacht wakes, choppy Lake Mich and it does extremely well for a 17 foot boat. I have talked to many Montauk owners who went to Outrage 17 ( and not fair weather boaters) because of the Outrage hull design, better ride, better in nasty stuff, cuts waves and on and on. What are you looking for? There are no drawbacks to Outrage 17 as far as I'm concerned. I don't fault Montauks either -
Rotten	posted 11-17-2013 04:10 AM ET (US) Thanks PeteB88, I am grateful for your info. I was just wondering if there was anything particular to that year or model to be on the lookout for. Thanks,if any has information they thin I should know, Please chime in. Thank you,
saumon	posted 11-17-2013 07:52 AM ET (US) I don't think it will be underpowered. That particular model is sometimes described as stern-weight sensitive so a lightweight engine is desirable. I have a 1991 of the same model with an E-Tec 90hp and can reach 40mph with a light load on glass-like conditions but can do 38mph anyday. It also sip gas. As said, it's a terrific boat.
martyn1075	posted 11-17-2013 12:35 PM ET (US) This boat is a complete DOG! I mean genuine salty dog that is. Small but mighty easy to trailer and reasonable in price. I'm still kicking myself about passing up on a beauty for 8K at the time that was a steal. One thing I didn't like was a factory stern option that had a bait tank and storage. Great idea but it takes up a great deal of space in this boat due to its stature and it may end up adding unfavorable weight. Martyn
Rotten	posted 11-17-2013 05:27 PM ET (US) I'll be picking her up at 6 pm tomorrow!!!!!!! I can't wait to own a Boston Whaler once again!!! It's not as big as Vicious but it'll due!!! As I said before " I'm Back!!!"
Phil T	posted 11-18-2013 06:56 PM ET (US) As it has been stated, the Outrage 17 I (1990-1995) is sensitive to engine weight. The classic Yamaha 90 hp is a light and very reliable so kudos' to you!!! I owned a 1991 model for 7 years and still miss her.... With the motor mounted at least 2 holes up and a good stainless propeller, you will enjoy speed! Post some photos when you have a chance.
PeteB88	posted 11-19-2013 02:11 AM ET (US) Good for you and welcome to an elite club with few members! Phil T knows this boat model for sure and I agree with him, the Yamaha will probably be just fine. I am curious about what stern configuration you have - my boat has quarter seats with a removable compartment in the middle with lid which I think is great. It's interesting that passengers often find their way back and ride those seats. I assume your boat has a swim ladder - super nice for us when we go to the beaches on Lake Mich. My boat just makes 40 or so MPH, plenty fast and I had the motor raised up by Lockeman's and got a MPH or 3. I don't get all hung up on that - she rolls along just fine. Post some photos. Congratulations.
PeteB88	posted 11-19-2013 02:11 AM ET (US) Rotten - where in FL are you located?
saumon	posted 11-19-2013 06:11 AM ET (US) I don't know if it could help but here's some "improvements" I made to mine over the last year.
PeteB88	posted 11-19-2013 12:48 PM ET (US) Very nice, I've seen these shots before. Did you cut hole in console floor for batteries? Previous owner did that on my boat - I have one battery and adding a second sometime soon. I'm not sure that hole makes any sense except freeing up space in the console.
saumon	posted 11-19-2013 07:30 PM ET (US) Yes, I cut the holes. It save some space but the deck is also a lot stronger than the 1/2" plywood shelf to support the 120lbs of batteries.
Rotten	posted 11-20-2013 06:59 PM ET (US) OK Gentlemen, sorry for the delayed response but some unfortunate circumstances came up and I did'nt want to jump the gun. Shortly before picking up the boat the seller put the sale on hold citing family issues (his father did'nt want him to sell) So, I waited holding my breath and alas she is mine!! I just picked her up and I have her sitting in the driveway waiting til daylight to play with my new toy. I'm very excited and want to thank all for the info. P.S. I am in Port St. Lucie Florida transplanted from Babylon Long Island NY.
PeteB88	posted 11-21-2013 03:08 AM ET (US) Whew - Glad you pulled it off. We have good friend who winters in Melbourne who we visit often. He is looking for a boat like yours for up his way. He has a 13 in SW Michigan but Outrage 17 or 18 would be perfect for his use intent. We went down your way last trip and I was impressed with the area. What a great place to have an Outrage 17! Enjoy it.
PeteB88	posted 11-21-2013 03:12 AM ET (US) Interestingly the previous owner of my boat didn't want to let it go - we got into a bit of a tangle about it, he was really on the fence and misty eyed when I hitched it up and was ready to pull away. Funny he gave me a ton of stuff and when I was loading he refused to let me put stuff in the boat - like frames he built to support the tarp for winter storage, boxes of stuff etc - He said "oh no, nothing goes in the boat when it's trailered...." I thought to my self "I own this boat now buckaroo..." but it was emotional. So I started piling stuff in and on top of my 4 Runner, and when he left to go to work, I threw what I needed to in the boat and got the hell out of there -
Rotten	posted 11-21-2013 04:14 AM ET (US) Pete, there is a 17 on Craigslist right now in Miami for I think 9000.00 I believe its a 1995 with a Johnson if hes interested. I dont think this guy was really interested in letting it go also but I think he needed the money. He called the boat "His Wife" If that were the case with me" I would definetly want to let her go!!!!" J/K Thanks for the good luck and I'll keep posting all I improve on her, First off is a good cleaning!!!
PeteB88	posted 11-21-2013 12:35 PM ET (US) Thanks - you're right about that! I'll check the Miami Craigs and send link to Chuck. Best
PeteB88	posted 11-21-2013 12:46 PM ET (US) It's actually a 1998 post classic. Looks real nice and possible Suzuki made Johnson (not sure - been told those are great motors - hearsay, don't know). Not sure what motor rating or OEM for that boat model.
Rotten	posted 11-21-2013 01:32 PM ET (US) Yea Mine is actually a 1991, he advertised it as a 92 but the title says 91. Any differance? I just finished re wireing the trailer,starboard side didnt work so I changed it all with new for 30 bucks.
saumon	posted 11-21-2013 02:22 PM ET (US) Some 1991 have the early "closed" transom without seats and some others have the stern quarter seats and baitwell.
Rotten	posted 11-21-2013 02:34 PM ET (US) mine has two corner seats and a well in the middle between the two. I seen the pictures of your baitwell set up that looks very interesting where does the water feed from? and exit to? Was it hard to do? That is something i would like to do on mine. Also , you moved your batteries from under the seat in the back to in the center consol? I would like to do that as well.
Rotten	posted 11-21-2013 02:36 PM ET (US) What about adding a small T top? anyone ever do that? I would like a T top instead of the Bimini top.
Phil T	posted 11-21-2013 03:45 PM ET (US) I would not install a T-top for several reasons: -No added backer pieces in the floor to attach the top. - Given the LOA/width ratio with this V hull, this model is "tippy". Adding a top will accentuate this more. For non-Outrage I owners, let me explain. With a classic Montauk or Outrage 18, when you step off a dock onto the deck, the boat does not list measurably. With the Outrage 17 I, the boat does list, and can catch you off balance. When you are driving or standing at the console and a passenger goes up to the bow, the boat will heal over a measurable amount. This is not a problem, just one attribute for this model. Consider a bimini that stores forward in the bow. I had one and it worked great. No major holes in the floor and console and a lot less $$$$.
saumon	posted 11-21-2013 03:51 PM ET (US) quote: I seen the pictures of your baitwell set up that looks very interesting where does the water feed from? and exit to? Was it hard to do? Not hard. Water feed from one of the two thru-hull in the bottom of the bilge on which I fitted a pump and exit by gravity through the splashwell when the overflow pipe is removed.
martyn1075	posted 11-21-2013 03:53 PM ET (US) I agree its a mighty boat but it really is still small in stature. Its 17 feet after all. The t-top to me for the reasons above would be a hassle also the looks of the 17 outrage with a top might not look that sharp. A nice thing about the 17 foot outrage is that one could fit it in their standard size garage. T-top version not a chance. Martyn
Rotten	posted 11-21-2013 05:10 PM ET (US) The boat came with a Bimini top but I dont like the fact it blocks the sides when fighting large fish and you have to shuffle sround. The T Top would eliminate that. Have you ever seen a 17 Outrage with a T Top? There is no wood in the deck at all?
martyn1075	posted 11-21-2013 06:15 PM ET (US) Rotten that problem you mentioned goes with any Whaler with a bimini. Its the way they are designed. T-top will fix that problem thats for sure but they have some serious considerations to be determined. Martyn
Phil T	posted 11-21-2013 06:43 PM ET (US) There are narrow strips of embedded wood for attaching the console. You could fabricate a modified L bracket to include tabs at the corners of the console on the floor to mount a top, the lateral instability will be pronounced due to the added weight above the gunnel. One option which has been has been widely discussed is a T-Topless by RNR Marine. Do a search (under NEW TOPIC). http://www.rnr-marine.com/Montauk-T-Topless.shtml If I, personally, had to have a top for this model, I would go with a T-Topless since it will provide the cover, not impinge on the narrow walkway to the bow and is not as heavy as a typical T-Top.
PeteB88	posted 11-21-2013 11:02 PM ET (US) Rotten - I agree with Phil, I spend a lot of time on my Outrage 17 and he is dead on; you have to worry about what you are going to bolt a T top to. Plus he's pulled up the deck panels on his boat and know what's underneath. It is tippier than other models but not horrible. I actually bought Phil's Mills Bimini from his Outrage 17 and it is installed on my boat most of the time. I use it sometimes. It's a great addition and great to have when we need it. Whaler has prints available that show mounting points for each boat. Not sure how you intend to use the boat but it's not a Bertram or Tiara sportfishing boat. We fish with ours all the time - it's great but we understand the advantages and limitations. I have one fishin pal who says only two people can fish out of it - but he brings have his worldly possessions every trip, packs the boat to the gunwales. I assume you need shelter from hot sun when you fish - that's a consideration. Perhaps you call Mills and talk to Suzanne for ideas specific to your use. We've fished with Bimini up and it gets a bit crazy but we make it work. You'll figure it out.
Rotten	posted 11-22-2013 03:31 AM ET (US) PhilT That is perfect!! I believe the T Topless is the way to go. That will kill my 2 birds with one stone, shade for my wife and I and no infringment on the sides like the Bimini has. Thank you for the suggestion. It's good to have this resource to get to converse with people who know thier stuff. Believe me, you guys have not heard the last from me, I'm sure (if you dont mind) I'll have alot more questions pertaining to this model. Thanks
saumon	posted 11-22-2013 04:07 PM ET (US) Great! Now, you know that it's mandatory to set up an online photo album (picasa, photobucket, etc.) so WE can see that boat, right?
Rotten	posted 11-23-2013 04:03 AM ET (US) Yes, I'll have to do that. I had a photobucket account from way back,I'll see if I can ressurect it.
Rotten	posted 11-23-2013 09:36 AM ET (US) Do I use regular Automatic Transmission fluid in the tilt motor?
Phil T	posted 11-24-2013 09:53 AM ET (US) No, that is not the appropriate type. Here is the OEM via Andy at SIM Yamaha. http://www.simyamaha.com/Yamaha_Performance_Power_Trim_and_Tilt_Fluid_p/ acc-pwrtr-mf-32.htm
PeteB88	posted 11-24-2013 11:05 AM ET (US) It's in the manual - learned almost the hard way not to get creative regarding manufacturer's recommendations for fuel, lubricants etc. especially with 2 stroke engines.
PeteB88	posted 11-24-2013 12:13 PM ET (US) I think the following (story) is significant. My wild buddy blew up two OMC outboards on his 1971 Outrage 21 (ribbed) before he bought a 200 FICHT. Now that setup was freaking awesome - major hole shot and over 50 WOT. I saw him pull multiple tubes full of kids and adults no problem. He had a plethora of FICHT issues until he finally said enough and repowered with an ETEC last year. He struggled between 200 or close (not sure of HP options) because he did not want to lose top end and hole shot and ultimately decided on ETEC 150 HP. He confirmed some loss of power and top speed (not much) but he is perfectly happy with the decision (and he does not play). In fact I saw him Thursday when I was winterizing my 1995 115 and he said "hey man, all I have to do is push a button.... Hehehe, get off your wallet!" - and he went on to say the 150 choice was perfect for his boat, plenty of power, smaller and lighter. That might influence me to go 90 ETEC instead of 115 when I repower.
Rotten	posted 12-17-2013 05:33 PM ET (US) I have a photobucket account but cant figure out how to post the pics, could someone help me? Thanks
saumon	posted 12-17-2013 11:06 PM ET (US) You can't directly post images here, you need to share the link (URL address) to your photo album
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Rotten	posted 12-18-2013 07:06 AM ET (US) This is frustrating!! I finally got a link up and it says I deleted the image. Its still there on my account, but not on this site. Puzzling!!
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Rotten	posted 12-18-2013 07:19 AM ET (US) I GIVE UP!!!!!
Rotten	posted 12-18-2013 07:27 AM ET (US) This is my last attempt [Bad link deleted.]
saumon	posted 12-18-2013 02:14 PM ET (US) http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/threecjohnny/JohnnysWhaler.jpg Nice boat!
Rotten	posted 12-18-2013 04:16 PM ET (US) Thank You!!!
PeteB88	posted 12-18-2013 05:32 PM ET (US) I've got one of those - wanna race?? Bet the Yamaha kicks a&% You will really like it - I went to boat barn two days ago and sat at the helm in down jacket, in the dark and made some phone calls - put the cover on it 'till Spring. I'd rather rinse salt water for sure. We Outrage 17 owners are a sub clan of CW - let's stay in touch.
Rotten	posted 12-18-2013 07:13 PM ET (US) Will do Pete, I have not got her wet yet. I just need to get a few more little things ironed out. So far I Drained and completely cleaned out the fuel tank. Replaced Fuel Filter/ Water seperator. New sending unit (fuel gauge did'nt work) Totally Re-wired the trailer. Filled in all the nicks in the Gelcoat with Marine tex. Filled in all the spider cracks in the gelcoat wit CA glue. ( it really works great for this purpose it dries clear and fills in the smallest of cracks) Re rigged my Anchor to the Ty wrap system with the shackle on the bottom (in case of a hang up) Mounted a new Fire extinguisher. Put new 15 inch tires and rims on the trailer. Put in new Perko on /off switch. Changed lower unit gearcase oil. Changed out Tilt/Trim fluid. Put in a new Stereo. Washed and Waxed her. It has Lenco trim tabs so I dont have a swim platform. I want to make the well in the rear a livewell next. She is insured and registered. I will sign up with Boat U.S. next week and put her in the water. Got to think up a good name for her. My 320 Outrage was named "Vicious" so I was thinking "Lil Vicious" But I'm not sure. Maybe "Outrageous" I'm still debating.
saumon	posted 12-18-2013 07:52 PM ET (US) I'm jealous that you mention putting her in the water soon! Here's mine, but you could mentally add two foot of snow... https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6GV62BnzFLQ/UrJCUfv8d6I/AAAAAAAAAbM/ bNV7Hu-IkRI/w1139-h855-no/tarp.jpg
Rotten	posted 12-19-2013 07:04 AM ET (US) I am a transplant from Long Island to South Florida. I don't miss that white stuff AT ALL!!!! I talked to my sister the other day and it was snowing up there. It was 80 degrees and sunny down here!! If I never see another snowflake in my life, that would be fine with me. South Florida is great!!!
gvisko	posted 12-20-2013 03:37 PM ET (US) Hi Guys what do you think about installing a T-Top on a 17' outrage 11 ? Stryker has one on a 1997 outrage 11 and it looks good/
Phil T	posted 12-24-2013 02:33 PM ET (US) George - While this thread is discussing a Outrage 17 I (1990-1995), you are referring to an Outrage 17 II (1998-1999) . A boat that has completely different dimensions and design. A T-top on an Outrage 17 II would be a great addition. It was offered as an option. Note Jerry Townsend's comments on this thread. He owns one (or did). http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000553.html Galtfan has photos linked on this thread (bottom) http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/011815.html Regards.
Rotten	posted 02-02-2014 06:18 AM ET (US) Well, I just had to do it http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n117/threecjohnny/NewTTop1.jpg
Rotten	posted 02-02-2014 06:26 AM ET (US) I just cant figure this stuff out!
Rotten	posted 02-02-2014 06:28 AM ET (US) I copy and paste the url and nothing. Very frustrating to me!!!
Tom W Clark	posted 02-02-2014 11:13 AM ET (US) http://continuouswave.com/ubb/ubbcode.html
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Rotten	posted 02-02-2014 12:18 PM ET (US) http://s110.photobucket.com/user/threecjohnny/media/NewTTop1.jpg. html?sort=3&o=0#/user/threecjohnny/media/NewTTop1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0& _suid=139136106526606037443218974187
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95Outrage17	posted 02-02-2014 06:09 PM ET (US) The T-top looks really great! I assume it's custom? Does the boat handle with the top? I'd like to have a one on mine, but I've always thought it would make the boat less stable in rough water. - Chris
Rotten	posted 02-03-2014 05:56 AM ET (US) Porpoises a little more with the top in the chop when going fast but thats about it. Worth every penny. Had a local guy custom fabricate it for me ,it wieghs only 50 pounds total.
Rotten	posted 02-03-2014 09:02 AM ET (US) Sorry for the duplicate post but the post at 12:22 was differant from the other two.