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alchse posted 10-17-2014 11:04 AM ET (US)
[EDITOR'S NOTE: This thread has been separated from another thread that was discussing the difference between two other boats.]
My search for a new boat is now focused on OUTRAGE 18s and MONTAUK 17s [after previously considering smaller boats]. One thing that seems odd to me in my search is why don't OUTRAGE 22s sell at a premium to OUTRAGE 18s? [Saw an advertisement] of two boats sold by the same dealer, with an OUTRAGE 22 in comparable or even better condition than the OUTRAGE 18 but they are the same price. And 22 also comes with a trailer.
andrey320 posted 10-17-2014 01:24 PM ET (US)
I think that the reason the 22s are not much more than the 18s because we are in times of contraction. Bigger is not always better. Getting what you need and works for you can be better than going with the biggest you can. It is probably a much better boating experience to buy smaller and have to move up later than buying big, not boating as much, and being pushed out of boating by taking on too much.
jcdawg83 posted 10-17-2014 01:32 PM ET (US)
A 22-foot boat is a pretty big boat for the average boater who is going to trailer it to and from the launching ramp and have to handle it. An 18 is fairly easily handled by one person launching and retrieving and is much easier to trailer. A 22-foot boat is a little too large for inshore fishing and is a little too small for serious offshore fishing. Fuel costs, maneuverability, draft, etc., all favor an 18-foot boat.
jimh posted 10-17-2014 01:42 PM ET (US)
To understand better the differences between a Boston Whaler MONTAUK 17 and a Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 18 you should read the two articles in the REFERENCE section about these two models. Please see
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/16-17/
and
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/18Outrage/
I recommend you pay particular attention to the sections of the OUTRAGE 18 article in which it is directly compared to the MONTAUK 17. See the section that begins:

quote:
Although only one foot longer than the 17-Montauk, the Outrage 18 is a much different boat in three important aspects...
jimh posted 10-17-2014 01:44 PM ET (US)
If you are not considering buying an OUTRAGE 22, then you probably need not worry too much about the range of prices they sell for. To have found one instance of an OUTRAGE 22 being offered for sale at the same price as one instance of an OUTRAGE 18 is not particularly dispositive the two boats always sell for equal prices.
alchse posted 10-17-2014 01:48 PM ET (US)
That article and all the testimonials and photos on this site is what got me interested in the OUTRAGE 18.
saumon posted 10-17-2014 02:09 PM ET (US)
If you were torn between an Outrage 18 and a Montaul 17, then there's an ideal compromise, called the Outrage 17 I (classic design, made from 1990 to 1995).
The benefits of the Outrage hull design (deeper V), with some back seating, a live well, an integral fuel tank and a taller console, all this with the ease of handling and low cost of operation of a 17 ft. boat.
Now the trickiest part is to try to find one in good condition. Few of them were produced and current owners doesn't let them go.
dgoodhue posted 10-17-2014 10:19 PM ET (US)
Sometimes the length difference of the two hulls is overlooked. The Montauk 17 is 16-feet 7-inches long. The Outrage 18 is 18-feet 6-inches long. The Outrage is almost two feet longer and if you seem them side to side, the Outrage looks much bigger.
Peter posted 10-18-2014 08:17 AM ET (US)
The Outrage 22 [mentioned by alchse has an outboard engine with] a horrible reputation for reliability. So as I see it, the price of the Outrage 22 is for hull and trailer only with essentially zero value placed on the motor. Basically the Outrage 22 hull [mentioned by alchse] is valued around $8,000. The Outrage 18 [mentioned by alchse has a hull] value in the $5.500 range. A $2,000 to $3,000 difference in the price of the Outrage 18 versus Outrage 22 for boats more than 20-year-old seems about right to me.
half shell posted 10-19-2014 09:24 AM ET (US)
[Continued the sidebar discussion on the price of one Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 22 compared to the price of one Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 18, and then changed the topic to begin a discussion about the reliability of certain models of outboard engine. Please begin a new thread if you wish to discuss the asking prices of a certain boat, and the general perception of reliability of a particular outboard engine. This thread is seeking advice regarding the choice of a Boston Whaler MONTAUK 17 or a Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 18 as a boat.--jimh]
jimh posted 10-19-2014 10:29 AM ET (US)
To alchse:
What are your intended uses of these boats? Give us more information about what aspects of the boats you need to consider and to have assistance in making a decision.
If you want to just discuss the particular case of one boat for sale at a particular price compared to a different boat at the same price, let me know, as we can drop the discussion of the MONTAUK 17 compared to OUTRAGE 18.
Which topic are you really interested in discussing?
alchse posted 10-19-2014 01:50 PM ET (US)
Thanks Jim.
I feel I have a pretty good handle handle on the differences between the Montauk 17 and the Outrage 18 based on all the prior articles and discussions here.
I will be using the boat mostly for cruising and tubing with the family. Some bay fishing and clamming thrown in. Skiing and wake boarding in a few years. Maybe the occasional fishing trip out into the ocean with the guys (if I end up with an Outrage) but that is in no way a requirement.
To be clear, I'm not interested in the Outrage 22. I just thought the lack of a price differential to be odd but that has be explained.
I'm leaning toward the Outrage as it is more versatile, comfortable and will it will be more likely to get Grandma and Grandpa to come aboard for a ride (important that they like the boat as it will reside at their house). But I think the Montauk 17 will meet 90% of my needs.
I think its going to all boil down to which model I can find a 1980s vintage, semi-local boat that is in turn key condition. Preferably re-powered with a modern motor and no bottom paint. (Basically I'm looking for adahl's boat only not 1000 miles away and for sale next year)

andygere posted 10-20-2014 11:50 AM ET (US)
Having owned a Montauk 17, and now an Outrage 22, I can shed some light on this topic. The Montauk is a fantastic skiff. It's more seaworthy than anything near its size, but make no mistake, it's a skiff. It's a comfortable boat with two adults and two kids, or three adults, but starts getting crowded after that. If you plan to load it up with water skis, tubes, and beach gear, it can get pretty small in a hurry. On the plus side, you can tow it with just about any car, it's easy to beach, launch and load, and you can do all those things solo should you want to. It will pull skiers (get a 90-HP if that's your plan) and tubers, and the low sides make it easy to get in and out of. I've had mine 10 miles out in the Pacific trolling for salmon, and many do, but it's a wet ride home if you don't pick up before the wind comes up. Slow down and you will get home fine, but bring your rain gear.
The Outrage 18 is infinitely more roomy, and much more of a sea boat than a skiff. It's still relatively easy to tow (most V6 pickups and SUVs will handle it) and it's still small enough to beach, launch and load with relative ease. It will keep you drier and ride much better in a chop, and it will carry a lot more gear than a Montauk and still allow plenty of room to get around the console, etc. The built-in fuel tank means you can keep a second cooler under the RPS or leaning post (you'll need to raise the RPS), which is nice for keeping the fish and the lunch separate. The 150-HP maximum power will provide more robust skiing for more advanced folks, and has a lot more grunt for popping big guys out of the water. If you think you may move up to an Outrage 18 in a few years, get one now. It's not that much more to tow and handle, and I don't think you will find it "too big" for your uses.
As an aside, when I moved up from the Montauk, my initial thoughts were to go to an Outrage 18, but the type of boating I do (all ocean, no intra-coastal) and the desire for some shelter and lockable storage pointed me to the Outrage 22 Cuddy that I now own. I agree that the 22 hull seems to be a bargain in the used boat market these days, with numerous clean examples priced at $10,000 and below. I think that the need for a more substantial tow vehicle is one driver, and the higher cost for re-powering is another, as many are on old or original power. Even so, a clean Outrage or Revenge 22 plus the cost of a new, efficient outboard is still a fraction of the cost of a new Outrage 22, which starts at $94,000 with a trailer and no other options.
fluke posted 10-20-2014 10:34 PM ET (US)
I just re-powered my Montauk with a Honda 90 and it has changed the ride; any speed below plane or on plane seems fine. As our missed Tony would say: just slow down and enjoy the ride. These skiffs will always get you home!
Mark
alchse posted 10-21-2014 09:46 AM ET (US)
When you say the 90hp Honda changed the ride on your Montauk 17, I assume you meant for the better?

I'm thinking 90hp is the minimum power I should go on a Montauk 17.
One more question, how big of a deal is it to swap out the captains chairs that are on most outrages for a RPS? Is it something that a reasonably handy first time boat owner can do on my own?
boatdryver posted 10-21-2014 11:12 AM ET (US)
alchse, once you leave the utter simplicity of a classic Montauk and move up to an Outrage you enter the asteroid belt of internal fuel tanks.
Caveat Emptor:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/021024.html
JimL
alchse posted 10-21-2014 12:36 PM ET (US)
Thanks Jim. The internal tank is definitely a concern since I'm looking at 30 year old boats. How would you go about checking the condition of the internal tank? If you saw the following in a boat description, would this be a good thing or a bad thing: "All Fuel lines to tank were replaced, leaks on tank fittings repaired, not tested as old gas was removed."
New fuel lines is clearly a good thing. Is gasoline leaking into the hull a big deal?
tedious posted 10-21-2014 03:57 PM ET (US)
Yes, gasoline leaks of any kind are a big deal. You can (and should) pressure-test a fuel tank.--Tim
alchse posted 10-21-2014 04:37 PM ET (US)
Would that be included in a marine survey?
fluke posted 10-21-2014 04:57 PM ET (US)
Yes, the ride is better because I can choose any speed to run. And it's quieter and getting 7.5-MPG!--Mark
Alan Heckman posted 10-22-2014 07:10 AM ET (US)
Having an Alert 17--the same hull as the Montauk 17--I can tell you from experience that close to 400-lbs of outboard engine on the back of a 17-foot Boston Whaler hull is too much weight. If you decide to go with a Montauk, do yourself a favor and go for a test ride in a Montauk with a heavy motor such as a Honda 90 and then take a test ride in a Montauk with a lighter motor such as a two-cycle Mercury 90, a Yamaha 90, or E-TEC 90, or a four-cycle Yamaha F70. These motors are all between 320-lbs and 260-lbs. I used to have 400-lbs of motors on the back of my boat and I now have 318-lbs. I can tell you lighter is much better, and, as far as fuel economy goes, the E-TEC 90 and the Yamaha F70 are right at the top of the list.
Spuds posted 10-22-2014 11:48 AM ET (US)
I recently had a rep for BRP make me a great offer me an ETEC 90hp HO for my 1961 Nauset. I felt that the nearly 400# of the V-4 4 stroke would be just too much weight for that hull, so I grudgingly turned it down..
I also concur that the Outrage 18 is twice the boat of the Nauset. But I do still enjoy the simplicity Nauset, it's still my baby and shines in calmer water.

jimh posted 10-22-2014 11:58 AM ET (US)
Bigger boats tend to have more features and equipment built into them than smaller boats. This growth of complexity is intrinsic in a larger boat. If you do not want to worry about the maintenance, repair, or restoration of more features and more complex systems, get a boat with less features and simpler systems.
domlynch posted 10-24-2014 03:59 AM ET (US)
Absolutely (bloody) right, sorry I couldn't hide the Aussie slang.
The simplicity of the Montauk & its versatility is fantastic.
That said, I find it too heavy to easily use myself (hooking up & removing the trailer, plus retrieving the boat, even though I dunk the trailer & drive the boat on)
I can do it but much prefer 2 people. I'll also add I have a very well set up drive on bunk trailer.
I've had smaller boats too and still feel more comfortable with 2 - even to hold a bow painter/lanyard while I park the car.
Both will serve you well especially if you have someone to help
blacksmithdog posted 10-24-2014 05:29 AM ET (US)
Having owned both boats, I'd have to say that the Outrage 18 feels a bit "heavy" in the water and isn't quite as nimble in close quarters. There's a big difference in the two boats, certainly more than the 1 foot difference in length. The Outrage will certainly take bigger water than the Montauk though.
If you ever have to replace the fuel tank on the Outrage, you're into either BIG money, or a lot or your time, and the question then becomes, would you rather be boating or working on the boat. On the Montauk, a new Moeller tank costs about $250.
There's also a big difference in towing the two boats. We used a Tahoe to pull the Outrage. I actually pulled the Montauk with a 4 cylinder Volvo, and a 4 cylinder Chevy Luv truck (not saying that they were all that up to the task).
It would be nice if you could either find people in your area that have Outrages and Montauks and get a feel for them on the water, or if the owners of the boats for sale would provide an on the water test.
Peter posted 10-24-2014 11:28 AM ET (US)
I've owned two Outrage 18s and spent much time running the Montauk 17. If having to choose between the Outrage 18 and the Montauk 17 I would choose the Outrage 18 every time. The ride quality of the Outrage 18 is an order of magnitude better.
Mike Kub posted 10-24-2014 12:00 PM ET (US)
I have the 16'7" hull and the 18' outrage now and use the 18' almost exclusively mainly due to the comfortable ride in a chop and feel safer in big water. I am 68 yrs. young and have no problem managing by myself. My boat is a 1986 with the original tank of which I am a bit suspicious of so I now have 2-12 gal. tanks which answers the simplicity of the Montauk. I just put a new F150 on it so the range is about 80 mi. which covers most of my trips. The ride of the 18' is so superior. My wife preferred the higher sides of the 16'7" however. Women!! Having owned 13' ,15', and the 2 now , I believe Whalers, especially older ones, are the highest quality boats ever made. Peace
FontaineM2008 posted 10-27-2014 08:23 PM ET (US)
I've owned a 22 Cuddy Cabin boat as well as three classic Montauk 17 boats. Cost of ownership, ease of towing, storage etc made the Outrage go bye-bye in favor of the 17.

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Author	Topic: OUTRAGE 18 v. MONTAUK 17
alchse	posted 10-17-2014 11:04 AM ET (US) [EDITOR'S NOTE: This thread has been separated from another thread that was discussing the difference between two other boats.] My search for a new boat is now focused on OUTRAGE 18s and MONTAUK 17s [after previously considering smaller boats]. One thing that seems odd to me in my search is why don't OUTRAGE 22s sell at a premium to OUTRAGE 18s? [Saw an advertisement] of two boats sold by the same dealer, with an OUTRAGE 22 in comparable or even better condition than the OUTRAGE 18 but they are the same price. And 22 also comes with a trailer.
andrey320	posted 10-17-2014 01:24 PM ET (US) I think that the reason the 22s are not much more than the 18s because we are in times of contraction. Bigger is not always better. Getting what you need and works for you can be better than going with the biggest you can. It is probably a much better boating experience to buy smaller and have to move up later than buying big, not boating as much, and being pushed out of boating by taking on too much.
jcdawg83	posted 10-17-2014 01:32 PM ET (US) A 22-foot boat is a pretty big boat for the average boater who is going to trailer it to and from the launching ramp and have to handle it. An 18 is fairly easily handled by one person launching and retrieving and is much easier to trailer. A 22-foot boat is a little too large for inshore fishing and is a little too small for serious offshore fishing. Fuel costs, maneuverability, draft, etc., all favor an 18-foot boat.
jimh	posted 10-17-2014 01:42 PM ET (US) To understand better the differences between a Boston Whaler MONTAUK 17 and a Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 18 you should read the two articles in the REFERENCE section about these two models. Please see http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/16-17/ and http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/18Outrage/ I recommend you pay particular attention to the sections of the OUTRAGE 18 article in which it is directly compared to the MONTAUK 17. See the section that begins: quote: Although only one foot longer than the 17-Montauk, the Outrage 18 is a much different boat in three important aspects...
jimh	posted 10-17-2014 01:44 PM ET (US) If you are not considering buying an OUTRAGE 22, then you probably need not worry too much about the range of prices they sell for. To have found one instance of an OUTRAGE 22 being offered for sale at the same price as one instance of an OUTRAGE 18 is not particularly dispositive the two boats always sell for equal prices.
alchse	posted 10-17-2014 01:48 PM ET (US) That article and all the testimonials and photos on this site is what got me interested in the OUTRAGE 18.
saumon	posted 10-17-2014 02:09 PM ET (US) If you were torn between an Outrage 18 and a Montaul 17, then there's an ideal compromise, called the Outrage 17 I (classic design, made from 1990 to 1995). The benefits of the Outrage hull design (deeper V), with some back seating, a live well, an integral fuel tank and a taller console, all this with the ease of handling and low cost of operation of a 17 ft. boat. Now the trickiest part is to try to find one in good condition. Few of them were produced and current owners doesn't let them go.
dgoodhue	posted 10-17-2014 10:19 PM ET (US) Sometimes the length difference of the two hulls is overlooked. The Montauk 17 is 16-feet 7-inches long. The Outrage 18 is 18-feet 6-inches long. The Outrage is almost two feet longer and if you seem them side to side, the Outrage looks much bigger.
Peter	posted 10-18-2014 08:17 AM ET (US) The Outrage 22 [mentioned by alchse has an outboard engine with] a horrible reputation for reliability. So as I see it, the price of the Outrage 22 is for hull and trailer only with essentially zero value placed on the motor. Basically the Outrage 22 hull [mentioned by alchse] is valued around $8,000. The Outrage 18 [mentioned by alchse has a hull] value in the $5.500 range. A $2,000 to $3,000 difference in the price of the Outrage 18 versus Outrage 22 for boats more than 20-year-old seems about right to me.
half shell	posted 10-19-2014 09:24 AM ET (US) [Continued the sidebar discussion on the price of one Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 22 compared to the price of one Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 18, and then changed the topic to begin a discussion about the reliability of certain models of outboard engine. Please begin a new thread if you wish to discuss the asking prices of a certain boat, and the general perception of reliability of a particular outboard engine. This thread is seeking advice regarding the choice of a Boston Whaler MONTAUK 17 or a Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 18 as a boat.--jimh]
jimh	posted 10-19-2014 10:29 AM ET (US) To alchse: What are your intended uses of these boats? Give us more information about what aspects of the boats you need to consider and to have assistance in making a decision. If you want to just discuss the particular case of one boat for sale at a particular price compared to a different boat at the same price, let me know, as we can drop the discussion of the MONTAUK 17 compared to OUTRAGE 18. Which topic are you really interested in discussing?
alchse	posted 10-19-2014 01:50 PM ET (US) Thanks Jim. I feel I have a pretty good handle handle on the differences between the Montauk 17 and the Outrage 18 based on all the prior articles and discussions here. I will be using the boat mostly for cruising and tubing with the family. Some bay fishing and clamming thrown in. Skiing and wake boarding in a few years. Maybe the occasional fishing trip out into the ocean with the guys (if I end up with an Outrage) but that is in no way a requirement. To be clear, I'm not interested in the Outrage 22. I just thought the lack of a price differential to be odd but that has be explained. I'm leaning toward the Outrage as it is more versatile, comfortable and will it will be more likely to get Grandma and Grandpa to come aboard for a ride (important that they like the boat as it will reside at their house). But I think the Montauk 17 will meet 90% of my needs. I think its going to all boil down to which model I can find a 1980s vintage, semi-local boat that is in turn key condition. Preferably re-powered with a modern motor and no bottom paint. (Basically I'm looking for adahl's boat only not 1000 miles away and for sale next year)
andygere	posted 10-20-2014 11:50 AM ET (US) Having owned a Montauk 17, and now an Outrage 22, I can shed some light on this topic. The Montauk is a fantastic skiff. It's more seaworthy than anything near its size, but make no mistake, it's a skiff. It's a comfortable boat with two adults and two kids, or three adults, but starts getting crowded after that. If you plan to load it up with water skis, tubes, and beach gear, it can get pretty small in a hurry. On the plus side, you can tow it with just about any car, it's easy to beach, launch and load, and you can do all those things solo should you want to. It will pull skiers (get a 90-HP if that's your plan) and tubers, and the low sides make it easy to get in and out of. I've had mine 10 miles out in the Pacific trolling for salmon, and many do, but it's a wet ride home if you don't pick up before the wind comes up. Slow down and you will get home fine, but bring your rain gear. The Outrage 18 is infinitely more roomy, and much more of a sea boat than a skiff. It's still relatively easy to tow (most V6 pickups and SUVs will handle it) and it's still small enough to beach, launch and load with relative ease. It will keep you drier and ride much better in a chop, and it will carry a lot more gear than a Montauk and still allow plenty of room to get around the console, etc. The built-in fuel tank means you can keep a second cooler under the RPS or leaning post (you'll need to raise the RPS), which is nice for keeping the fish and the lunch separate. The 150-HP maximum power will provide more robust skiing for more advanced folks, and has a lot more grunt for popping big guys out of the water. If you think you may move up to an Outrage 18 in a few years, get one now. It's not that much more to tow and handle, and I don't think you will find it "too big" for your uses. As an aside, when I moved up from the Montauk, my initial thoughts were to go to an Outrage 18, but the type of boating I do (all ocean, no intra-coastal) and the desire for some shelter and lockable storage pointed me to the Outrage 22 Cuddy that I now own. I agree that the 22 hull seems to be a bargain in the used boat market these days, with numerous clean examples priced at $10,000 and below. I think that the need for a more substantial tow vehicle is one driver, and the higher cost for re-powering is another, as many are on old or original power. Even so, a clean Outrage or Revenge 22 plus the cost of a new, efficient outboard is still a fraction of the cost of a new Outrage 22, which starts at $94,000 with a trailer and no other options.
fluke	posted 10-20-2014 10:34 PM ET (US) I just re-powered my Montauk with a Honda 90 and it has changed the ride; any speed below plane or on plane seems fine. As our missed Tony would say: just slow down and enjoy the ride. These skiffs will always get you home! Mark
alchse	posted 10-21-2014 09:46 AM ET (US) When you say the 90hp Honda changed the ride on your Montauk 17, I assume you meant for the better? I'm thinking 90hp is the minimum power I should go on a Montauk 17. One more question, how big of a deal is it to swap out the captains chairs that are on most outrages for a RPS? Is it something that a reasonably handy first time boat owner can do on my own?
boatdryver	posted 10-21-2014 11:12 AM ET (US) alchse, once you leave the utter simplicity of a classic Montauk and move up to an Outrage you enter the asteroid belt of internal fuel tanks. Caveat Emptor: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/021024.html JimL
alchse	posted 10-21-2014 12:36 PM ET (US) Thanks Jim. The internal tank is definitely a concern since I'm looking at 30 year old boats. How would you go about checking the condition of the internal tank? If you saw the following in a boat description, would this be a good thing or a bad thing: "All Fuel lines to tank were replaced, leaks on tank fittings repaired, not tested as old gas was removed." New fuel lines is clearly a good thing. Is gasoline leaking into the hull a big deal?
tedious	posted 10-21-2014 03:57 PM ET (US) Yes, gasoline leaks of any kind are a big deal. You can (and should) pressure-test a fuel tank.--Tim
alchse	posted 10-21-2014 04:37 PM ET (US) Would that be included in a marine survey?
fluke	posted 10-21-2014 04:57 PM ET (US) Yes, the ride is better because I can choose any speed to run. And it's quieter and getting 7.5-MPG!--Mark
Alan Heckman	posted 10-22-2014 07:10 AM ET (US) Having an Alert 17--the same hull as the Montauk 17--I can tell you from experience that close to 400-lbs of outboard engine on the back of a 17-foot Boston Whaler hull is too much weight. If you decide to go with a Montauk, do yourself a favor and go for a test ride in a Montauk with a heavy motor such as a Honda 90 and then take a test ride in a Montauk with a lighter motor such as a two-cycle Mercury 90, a Yamaha 90, or E-TEC 90, or a four-cycle Yamaha F70. These motors are all between 320-lbs and 260-lbs. I used to have 400-lbs of motors on the back of my boat and I now have 318-lbs. I can tell you lighter is much better, and, as far as fuel economy goes, the E-TEC 90 and the Yamaha F70 are right at the top of the list.
Spuds	posted 10-22-2014 11:48 AM ET (US) I recently had a rep for BRP make me a great offer me an ETEC 90hp HO for my 1961 Nauset. I felt that the nearly 400# of the V-4 4 stroke would be just too much weight for that hull, so I grudgingly turned it down.. I also concur that the Outrage 18 is twice the boat of the Nauset. But I do still enjoy the simplicity Nauset, it's still my baby and shines in calmer water.
jimh	posted 10-22-2014 11:58 AM ET (US) Bigger boats tend to have more features and equipment built into them than smaller boats. This growth of complexity is intrinsic in a larger boat. If you do not want to worry about the maintenance, repair, or restoration of more features and more complex systems, get a boat with less features and simpler systems.
domlynch	posted 10-24-2014 03:59 AM ET (US) Absolutely (bloody) right, sorry I couldn't hide the Aussie slang. The simplicity of the Montauk & its versatility is fantastic. That said, I find it too heavy to easily use myself (hooking up & removing the trailer, plus retrieving the boat, even though I dunk the trailer & drive the boat on) I can do it but much prefer 2 people. I'll also add I have a very well set up drive on bunk trailer. I've had smaller boats too and still feel more comfortable with 2 - even to hold a bow painter/lanyard while I park the car. Both will serve you well especially if you have someone to help
blacksmithdog	posted 10-24-2014 05:29 AM ET (US) Having owned both boats, I'd have to say that the Outrage 18 feels a bit "heavy" in the water and isn't quite as nimble in close quarters. There's a big difference in the two boats, certainly more than the 1 foot difference in length. The Outrage will certainly take bigger water than the Montauk though. If you ever have to replace the fuel tank on the Outrage, you're into either BIG money, or a lot or your time, and the question then becomes, would you rather be boating or working on the boat. On the Montauk, a new Moeller tank costs about $250. There's also a big difference in towing the two boats. We used a Tahoe to pull the Outrage. I actually pulled the Montauk with a 4 cylinder Volvo, and a 4 cylinder Chevy Luv truck (not saying that they were all that up to the task). It would be nice if you could either find people in your area that have Outrages and Montauks and get a feel for them on the water, or if the owners of the boats for sale would provide an on the water test.
Peter	posted 10-24-2014 11:28 AM ET (US) I've owned two Outrage 18s and spent much time running the Montauk 17. If having to choose between the Outrage 18 and the Montauk 17 I would choose the Outrage 18 every time. The ride quality of the Outrage 18 is an order of magnitude better.
Mike Kub	posted 10-24-2014 12:00 PM ET (US) I have the 16'7" hull and the 18' outrage now and use the 18' almost exclusively mainly due to the comfortable ride in a chop and feel safer in big water. I am 68 yrs. young and have no problem managing by myself. My boat is a 1986 with the original tank of which I am a bit suspicious of so I now have 2-12 gal. tanks which answers the simplicity of the Montauk. I just put a new F150 on it so the range is about 80 mi. which covers most of my trips. The ride of the 18' is so superior. My wife preferred the higher sides of the 16'7" however. Women!! Having owned 13' ,15', and the 2 now , I believe Whalers, especially older ones, are the highest quality boats ever made. Peace
FontaineM2008	posted 10-27-2014 08:23 PM ET (US) I've owned a 22 Cuddy Cabin boat as well as three classic Montauk 17 boats. Cost of ownership, ease of towing, storage etc made the Outrage go bye-bye in favor of the 17.