1993 Walkaround - Moderated Discussion Areas

  ContinuousWave
  Whaler
  Moderated Discussion Areas
  ContinuousWave: Whaler Marketplace
  1993 Walkaround

search | FAQ | profile | register | author help

Author Topic:   1993 Walkaround

mdltuck02 posted 11-03-2014 12:16 PM ET (US)
I have a 1993 23 Walkaround with twin Johnson Ocean runner 175's with stainless props and 450 hours, hull is mint, new electronics, new canvas.....can anyone give me an idea of value as I am looking to move on. Thank you
Ventura posted 11-03-2014 12:47 PM ET (US)
Can you put some pics online,does it come with trailer? Location?
Engines 2500 to 3500 depending on compression and service log. Trailer 2000. The hull I condition is the real question . There was a about the same age 23 that sold last year that you could look up the price on. Salt or fresh water use?
JJC
Jeff posted 11-03-2014 01:21 PM ET (US)
It could be from the high teens to maybe low thirties. The value would depend greatly on the condition of the hull, the mechanical soundness of the motors, options on the boat, if there is a trailer and many other factors.
I know you say the boat is mint but that is a very subjective description. I have looked at a lot of whalers that claimed to be mint, however upon inspection I would have labeled them much differently. Some where just garbage.
Posting recent photos will help to give a honest assement of the boat's current condition and will take then subjectiveness out of it.
Some details that would help to get you to a value...
Does the hull have bottom paint.
Has the boat lived in the water for extended periods of time?
What is the use of the boat Saltwater vs Freshwater?
Have any of the electrical, water or fuel systems been up dated?
Is there a trailer with the boat and if so, What are the details?
How many hours are on the motors?
Have the motors been compression tested and what are the numbers if they have?
What exactly do you have for electronics?
What options do you have on your 23:
-Head option, there where 3 offered
-Hard top or no hard top. Or do you have an upgraded factory top?
-Fuel Tank size, there were 2 offered
With having twin 175's I assume you have the Whaler Drive model...?
If so, there are specific mataince items that will have to be done with this boat. Those included at a minimum removal of the swimplatform , however removing the entire bracket is truly the best route, and rechalking all of those joints to make it water tight. Also the rigging tubs from the back of the buoyancy box are known to fail and allow the ingress of water into the bracket. These should be replaced on a boat of this age. Have either of these items been taken care of?
For reference, our 1993 Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround Whaler Drive came out of South Florida 4 years ago. The boat was owned by the original owner and it was well cared for. Ours was listed at $24,500. After purchasing the boat we had to put a new custom trailer under it as the off-the-shelf trailer was not correct for the boat due to the hulls unique hull form. There has also been a lot of work into updating the plumbing and wiring of our boat, all removal of all the plastic thru-hull and replacement with Stainless, a new cabin headliner, as well as a complete removal of the bracket and reworking of that entire assembly. I also just finished reprinting the motors this fall.
Here are images of the boat from 2 years ago. It is a bit more dirty than I like to keep it but, it had just been pulled after a week of Salmon Fishing.
[urlhttp://smg.photobucket.com/user/jeff_rohlfing/library/1993%2023%20Boston%20Whaler%20Walkaround%20Whalerdrive?sort=2&page=1][/url]
Here are photos of the Bracket Removal and repair.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/020578.html
Jeff posted 11-03-2014 01:23 PM ET (US)
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jeff_rohlfing/library/ 1993%2023%20Boston%20Whaler%20Walkaround%20Whalerdrive?sort=2&page=1 . fixed Links.
Jeff posted 11-03-2014 01:40 PM ET (US)
And for more market Reference, this has to be the nicest 23 Walkaround Whaler Drives on the market right now, and the nicest I have seen in a long time. It's a Helluva value in my opinion also due to the E-Tec power on it.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1993-Boston-Whaler-240-WA-102360279
acseatsri posted 11-03-2014 04:01 PM ET (US)
I'm just curious as to why these boats always have twins. There are lots of bigger boats (23-25 feet) at my marina that go plenty fast enough with a single 250.
acseatsri posted 11-03-2014 04:18 PM ET (US)
This boat is a little farther down the list on this website.
http://www.popyachts.com/Boat/53846/For-Sale/New-York/Boston-Whaler/23-Walkaround.html
acseatsri posted 11-03-2014 04:18 PM ET (US)
http://www.popyachts.com/Boat/53846/For-Sale/New-York/Boston-Whaler/ 23-Walkaround.html
mdltuck02 posted 11-04-2014 02:41 AM ET (US)
Thank you for the quick responses. I will work on pictures, but here is some more information: No trailer, saltwater use, 450 hours, no whaler drive, no hard top, but newer bimini with enclosure, fixed head on starboard side of cabin, to my knowledge water systems have not been updated, engines gone through by original dealer last season, spent about 6k on basically whatever needed to be done (have receipts). Electronics include Fusion stereo with 2 fusion speakers, lowrance elite 5 dsi, standard horizon vhf (the basic model)...there is a bench seat in the stern (the hinges on the folding back pulled out but will be repaired shortly) Location is Darien, CT. I am the second owner.
mdltuck02 posted 11-04-2014 03:29 AM ET (US)
150 gallon fuel tank, boat lives on a mooring 5 months a year
Jeff posted 11-05-2014 01:57 PM ET (US)
Acesatsri
23's in general and the Whaler Drives especially need twins for low speed maneuverability. You could get away with a big single on a standard notched transom, but I personally would not do it. The way the hull is designed has a unique and varied deadrise where at displacement (no wake / docking) speeds the keel at the bow is actually deeper in the water than the props at the stern. This makes it really tough to get that bow to swing, and if you get caught in a cross wind you can get in big trouble if you are not on top of things. The Whaler Drive even has more of a difficult time swinging at displacement speeds here is why. With the standard / notched transom on the Outboard model the prop thrust in reverse is being forced completely under the hull. On the Whaler Drive the motors and props are set back 3'+ back from the transom and are raised up a bit. This makes a lot of the reverse thrust get pushed against the flat of the transom and not under the hull.
On our 23 Walkaround Whaler Drive I am always under heavy power tractor steering (engines straight and using one engine in forward and the other in reverse) to get the hull to swing while docking. If it's blowing, I am never without power because you do not want to let the boat get caught by the wind.
Another thing I do you to help the maneuvering on the Whaler Drive model is, I keep the motors trimmed at least vertical if not up a bit to get the prop thrust move under the hull. On the Whaler Drive if the motors are trimmed all the way in (down) the motors are actually 5-10 degrees in from vertical. This is helpful when coming on to plane because it allows you to keep the bow down on "take-off". However at docking displacement speeds it is actually not only directing the thrust at the transom but up at the bounyance box as well greatly reducing the effectiveness of the thrust.
Here is a video of me piloting our 23 Walkaround Whaler Drive into a berth on a dead calm day. You can see it takes a fair amount of throttle to get it to swing.
http://youtu.be/noPs-MqGf7w
acseatsri posted 11-05-2014 04:44 PM ET (US)
Jeff- thanks for the reply. I have the 21 WA and notice it's definitely harder to put in the slip than a 22 OR. I believe the high rake angle of the bow on the 21 reduces the waterline length versus the Outrage and makes the 21 want to pivot more easily.
Was a large single an option on the 23 WA? What is the beam width? Are your Yammies counter-rotating?
I have a friend with a 23' Grady White Gulfstream (9.5' beam) with a single 250 on a bracket that does almost 40 mph. This is what piqued my curiosity about the twins versus single.

Hop to:

Contact Us | RETURN to ContinuousWave Top Page

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.

Author	Topic: 1993 Walkaround
mdltuck02	posted 11-03-2014 12:16 PM ET (US) I have a 1993 23 Walkaround with twin Johnson Ocean runner 175's with stainless props and 450 hours, hull is mint, new electronics, new canvas.....can anyone give me an idea of value as I am looking to move on. Thank you
Ventura	posted 11-03-2014 12:47 PM ET (US) Can you put some pics online,does it come with trailer? Location? Engines 2500 to 3500 depending on compression and service log. Trailer 2000. The hull I condition is the real question . There was a about the same age 23 that sold last year that you could look up the price on. Salt or fresh water use? JJC
Jeff	posted 11-03-2014 01:21 PM ET (US) It could be from the high teens to maybe low thirties. The value would depend greatly on the condition of the hull, the mechanical soundness of the motors, options on the boat, if there is a trailer and many other factors. I know you say the boat is mint but that is a very subjective description. I have looked at a lot of whalers that claimed to be mint, however upon inspection I would have labeled them much differently. Some where just garbage. Posting recent photos will help to give a honest assement of the boat's current condition and will take then subjectiveness out of it. Some details that would help to get you to a value... Does the hull have bottom paint. Has the boat lived in the water for extended periods of time? What is the use of the boat Saltwater vs Freshwater? Have any of the electrical, water or fuel systems been up dated? Is there a trailer with the boat and if so, What are the details? How many hours are on the motors? Have the motors been compression tested and what are the numbers if they have? What exactly do you have for electronics? What options do you have on your 23: -Head option, there where 3 offered -Hard top or no hard top. Or do you have an upgraded factory top? -Fuel Tank size, there were 2 offered With having twin 175's I assume you have the Whaler Drive model...? If so, there are specific mataince items that will have to be done with this boat. Those included at a minimum removal of the swimplatform , however removing the entire bracket is truly the best route, and rechalking all of those joints to make it water tight. Also the rigging tubs from the back of the buoyancy box are known to fail and allow the ingress of water into the bracket. These should be replaced on a boat of this age. Have either of these items been taken care of? For reference, our 1993 Boston Whaler 23 Walkaround Whaler Drive came out of South Florida 4 years ago. The boat was owned by the original owner and it was well cared for. Ours was listed at $24,500. After purchasing the boat we had to put a new custom trailer under it as the off-the-shelf trailer was not correct for the boat due to the hulls unique hull form. There has also been a lot of work into updating the plumbing and wiring of our boat, all removal of all the plastic thru-hull and replacement with Stainless, a new cabin headliner, as well as a complete removal of the bracket and reworking of that entire assembly. I also just finished reprinting the motors this fall. Here are images of the boat from 2 years ago. It is a bit more dirty than I like to keep it but, it had just been pulled after a week of Salmon Fishing. [urlhttp://smg.photobucket.com/user/jeff_rohlfing/library/1993%2023%20Boston%20Whaler%20Walkaround%20Whalerdrive?sort=2&page=1][/url] Here are photos of the Bracket Removal and repair. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/020578.html
Jeff	posted 11-03-2014 01:23 PM ET (US) http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jeff_rohlfing/library/ 1993%2023%20Boston%20Whaler%20Walkaround%20Whalerdrive?sort=2&page=1 . fixed Links.
Jeff	posted 11-03-2014 01:40 PM ET (US) And for more market Reference, this has to be the nicest 23 Walkaround Whaler Drives on the market right now, and the nicest I have seen in a long time. It's a Helluva value in my opinion also due to the E-Tec power on it. http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1993-Boston-Whaler-240-WA-102360279
acseatsri	posted 11-03-2014 04:01 PM ET (US) I'm just curious as to why these boats always have twins. There are lots of bigger boats (23-25 feet) at my marina that go plenty fast enough with a single 250.
acseatsri	posted 11-03-2014 04:18 PM ET (US) This boat is a little farther down the list on this website. http://www.popyachts.com/Boat/53846/For-Sale/New-York/Boston-Whaler/23-Walkaround.html
acseatsri	posted 11-03-2014 04:18 PM ET (US) http://www.popyachts.com/Boat/53846/For-Sale/New-York/Boston-Whaler/ 23-Walkaround.html
mdltuck02	posted 11-04-2014 02:41 AM ET (US) Thank you for the quick responses. I will work on pictures, but here is some more information: No trailer, saltwater use, 450 hours, no whaler drive, no hard top, but newer bimini with enclosure, fixed head on starboard side of cabin, to my knowledge water systems have not been updated, engines gone through by original dealer last season, spent about 6k on basically whatever needed to be done (have receipts). Electronics include Fusion stereo with 2 fusion speakers, lowrance elite 5 dsi, standard horizon vhf (the basic model)...there is a bench seat in the stern (the hinges on the folding back pulled out but will be repaired shortly) Location is Darien, CT. I am the second owner.
mdltuck02	posted 11-04-2014 03:29 AM ET (US) 150 gallon fuel tank, boat lives on a mooring 5 months a year
Jeff	posted 11-05-2014 01:57 PM ET (US) Acesatsri 23's in general and the Whaler Drives especially need twins for low speed maneuverability. You could get away with a big single on a standard notched transom, but I personally would not do it. The way the hull is designed has a unique and varied deadrise where at displacement (no wake / docking) speeds the keel at the bow is actually deeper in the water than the props at the stern. This makes it really tough to get that bow to swing, and if you get caught in a cross wind you can get in big trouble if you are not on top of things. The Whaler Drive even has more of a difficult time swinging at displacement speeds here is why. With the standard / notched transom on the Outboard model the prop thrust in reverse is being forced completely under the hull. On the Whaler Drive the motors and props are set back 3'+ back from the transom and are raised up a bit. This makes a lot of the reverse thrust get pushed against the flat of the transom and not under the hull. On our 23 Walkaround Whaler Drive I am always under heavy power tractor steering (engines straight and using one engine in forward and the other in reverse) to get the hull to swing while docking. If it's blowing, I am never without power because you do not want to let the boat get caught by the wind. Another thing I do you to help the maneuvering on the Whaler Drive model is, I keep the motors trimmed at least vertical if not up a bit to get the prop thrust move under the hull. On the Whaler Drive if the motors are trimmed all the way in (down) the motors are actually 5-10 degrees in from vertical. This is helpful when coming on to plane because it allows you to keep the bow down on "take-off". However at docking displacement speeds it is actually not only directing the thrust at the transom but up at the bounyance box as well greatly reducing the effectiveness of the thrust. Here is a video of me piloting our 23 Walkaround Whaler Drive into a berth on a dead calm day. You can see it takes a fair amount of throttle to get it to swing. http://youtu.be/noPs-MqGf7w
acseatsri	posted 11-05-2014 04:44 PM ET (US) Jeff- thanks for the reply. I have the 21 WA and notice it's definitely harder to put in the slip than a 22 OR. I believe the high rake angle of the bow on the 21 reduces the waterline length versus the Outrage and makes the 21 want to pivot more easily. Was a large single an option on the 23 WA? What is the beam width? Are your Yammies counter-rotating? I have a friend with a 23' Grady White Gulfstream (9.5' beam) with a single 250 on a bracket that does almost 40 mph. This is what piqued my curiosity about the twins versus single.