posted 04-02-2010 08:49 PM ET (US)        

Each year for the past three years or so, I have worked hard to find that elusive balance between a good seller and a good buyer and I'm happy to say we are both going to be very happy people tomorrow morning.

I am thrilled to be able to get that dream engine I always wanted. I can't wait to take her out for the first time. I have been warned to watch out as that throttle will push me back on my backside! Thanks Ren'e. And of course others have been wonderful in helping me with information all along thos trail.

It was just a matter of time and I don't give up easily.

If all works out I will have my Mercury derigged and DAS BOAT re-rigged with the E-TEC starting Monday, after I close the deal tomorrow morning.

I can't say enough about that Mercury I have had on Das Boat--what a great engine, economical and never a wimper of trouble ever. I loved that engine, but really wanted to try that E-TEC. When you get to be a certain age, you don't put things off for later, at least I don't. Life is to short to wait to long.

I am not sure what propeller should go on DAS BOAT, so any constructive help I can get there would be helpful. And I thank you in advance. I know there is some kind of formula somewhere to figure that out, but I also know Tom and some other have a lot of knowledge, so some asistance is appreciated. I have not found anyone with a Nantucket who has put a 150 E-TEC on her back, I would thing because people got new engines affiliated with Boston Whaler and Mercury. But even the re-powered ones were mostly Yamaha, Honda, or Verado, so this could be a not-so-common pairing of boat and engine and may be interesting to find out what performance comes out of the pairing.

I have the biggest smile on my face as I write this:)))
"It's been a long time coming"

posted 04-03-2010 01:24 PM ET (US)            

Merc is sold to a fine new Boston Whaler friend.

What a class act Tom is. Selling dealer was wonderful.

Basicly, here a price for the motor, add 2 percent tax and

you can have anything you want on there:) And that

included rigging, I-command, the works....I just told the

dealer what I wanted and he said sure thing!Didn't even

count the cash, just said fine:)What customer service!

Also, it helped that I got the 5 year warranty as well.

The 150 ETEC will be installed this coming week as

everything needed is in the shop already.I should be

all set for Rock Fish Season starting the 17th.

Ratherwhalering...Ill call you later this week...

waiting on some preliminary input from people on a

possible match for a prop(included)...so let me here from

you...Tom said he would hash it out here in the thread

also:))so helpful replys are very welcomed.

I'm still smiling from ear to ear:)))

Kamie has to be thanked also as she gave me a lot of

information and understanding.(always)the voice of reason

and consistant common sense.

There was nothing coom sense about this decision, it was

all about wanting it and finding a way to get something

i really wanted.) Still Smiling:)

Henry aka The Yiddil

posted 04-03-2010 11:34 PM ET (US)            

It just all fit in to place nicely...so I just thought, what the heck.

I got a few recommendations for props and and other fine points and Im looking forward to next week or so when I actually will take her out for sea trails and get a feel for the old girl with the new high heels:)

I expect it to be well worth the wait...

When I get it sorted out Ill let everyone know what she felt like struting her stuff:0

posted 04-04-2010 12:32 PM ET (US)            

Looking forward to seeing you also:))

Ill be send ing out an update soon....

Thanks Menemsha69 ...I know I am...especially since I have been waiting on this like 5 years...

I watched and waited and heard all the reports about the 300 hr service, compared engines, and looked for a decent buy and sell price to repower and a nice persons to deal with, location, and customer service.

Finally I think I have the whole package right...

By the way, I towed Das Boat down for the work yesterday and left the Mills Mooring Cover on, with bungee's all around, and it was a snap...I had my new friend and buyer help hook up do to Spinal Stenosis, and it was great!!

Testing the waters for the NYC event...:)

posted 04-04-2010 09:29 PM ET (US)            

Not sure why they picked them but...heres what I have...

please commment with what ever you feel might work...

and why...

Tom says...141/4 18 Stilletto 4.75 or 141/4x 18mercury Inerta

someone else said get a viper 17 or 19P x14 1/4

I am not sure why they were quoted these props so anyone give me a reason for one over the other...I plyed with a prop calculator on here but Im not very understanding of the process even after reading all that stuff......Dealer will find something he thinks will work and I can start with that to dial it in...Henry

posted 04-05-2010 10:57 AM ET (US)            

Congratulations on the new toy. Enjoy!

posted 04-05-2010 08:51 PM ET (US)            

Ratherwhalering....email me your picks and why for a prop...

Just waiting till I pick up the new and improved "Das Boat"

Like I said, dealer knows props well so he will find a good match for her at least for a starting point, and thenI can play till I dial it in further.

My set up will have the two digital 3.5 inch guages which will includ a gps set up. Oil box will probably be in the CC with the ability to pull it for filling or moving to get to get to the batteries. The way she was set up, I had 3 2 inch gauges and 1 3.5 inch one so it should be interesting to see how they put the two large ones in. and plug the others...I also have a key and cut off hole that will need some work or extra gauges...possibly a hr counter or something like that.

when I have her, I'll post pics and someinfo on what she is doing with what equipment...and what Im finding. I know I have not found anyone who has a Nantucket or post classic outarge with this engine so it should be interesting to map all that out...maybe it will help someone else down the road...

Henry

posted 04-05-2010 09:40 PM ET (US)            

My recommendations were for a 14-1/4" x 17" Stiletto 4.75 or a 14-1/4" x 18" Mercury Enertia. There is no such thing as a 14-1/4" x 18" Stiletto Advantage 4.75.

posted 04-05-2010 09:58 PM ET (US)            

can i ask...how did you come to that determination?

Did you use a prop calculator...? I am always confused with the way that gets figured out...I'm prop challanged"

So anything you can point me to or explain woudl be greatly appreciated...I played with the claculator here on Jims site, but heck If I know what Im doing...example...why use o slip? whats that about? Maybe Jim can explain it to me...

thanks Henry

Still smiling from ear to ear:))

posted 04-05-2010 11:23 PM ET (US)            

Speed Ratio Pitch Slip Speed
5350 185.1 0 52mph

can that be correct? Can't be can it?? I thought she would do 45?????? what am I missing?

posted 04-05-2010 11:37 PM ET (US)            

Mostly I use personal experience to decide what models of propellers might be best. I tend to suggest props that I have actually tested so there may be props out there that are as good or better.

Once a model of propeller is under consideration, you can use the propeller calculator to estimate how it will do.

In your case we know you have a 19' Outrage (Nantucket) and an E-TEC 150 which uses a 1.85:1 gear ratio and has an optimal WOT RPM range of 5500-5600 RPM.

If only we knew how fast a Nantucket is with 150 HP. Fortunately, there are many performance reports with 150 HP outboard motors even if they are not E-TEC 150s.

I estimate you boat will do 47 MPH with the new motor, so plug those figures into the prop calculator and see what comes up.

For the BRP Viper I might expect to see about 10 percent propeller slip (with this boat/motor combination).

For a Mercury Enertia I expect to see about 5-7 percent propeller slip (with this boat/motor combination).

posted 04-06-2010 12:05 AM ET (US)            

I will start with your recommendations...thats pretty good for me:)

Seems Like Im going to need seat belts:)

posted 04-06-2010 02:43 PM ET (US)            

I have faith that the dealer will give me something decent to start off with, but with the input from you all, I can test some others to see whcih one does what this spring as the boat should be ready in a week or so.

Trying to understand the different parts to the equation.
Cause I know the manufacturer said one thing and I got something else with the Black Max and the 115 Carbed saltwater series...It wasn't to much a difference but it was different. But regardless of that it was a great engine.

I know you have really liked your honda Perry..it was a possibility for a while...but my heart was set on this ETEC from day one:)

posted 04-06-2010 03:28 PM ET (US)            

Propeller selection is always difficult but worth getting right. There is nothing like have your outboard mounted and propped just right..

posted 04-06-2010 05:16 PM ET (US)            

Thanks for the recommondations on the prop...I will make that choice to start off with from what you and Tom and few others recommend...seems like your knowledgable types are all agreeing though...and that helps me choose a prop.

Thankyou.

still pretty excited...:)))

posted 04-06-2010 05:49 PM ET (US)            

quote:

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I have faith that the dealer will give me something decent to start off with

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With respect, I would never expect a dealer to put on a "decent" prop since there are so many different designs and sizes. One design does not always mean it will provide the best performance for your hull/motor.

posted 04-06-2010 06:39 PM ET (US)            

quote:

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Perry you and I both know were not going 45 every time we go out in our Nantuckets

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posted 04-06-2010 08:42 PM ET (US)            

Heck, he said any thing I want!SO far he has been true to his word:)Sometimes you get to deal with some folks that "say what they mean and mean what they say" and dont let there mouths write checks there body can't cash"

I have not seen many like that but a few and this is one of those guys I belive.:)

Andygere...thanks...yes I Know:)..I will:0

Perry, If I thought I had enough power before and I belive I did for what I was doing, I should feel like I was shot out of a cannon punching this thing:)

The thing I wish for the most is good health, so I wish good health for this motor as well...the rest will take care of itself.

I had gotton a new set of canvas from another Nantucket owner so I will add the pieces I need and sell of the rest Perry to make it all connect finally and then I can test the ETEC both covered and not..

where is everyone getting there supplies for these engines?? Locally I would guess...bulk oil? Does anyone add anything to the engine made by Evinrude? or can you use anything...like stabil, Quickleen etc...?

Henry

posted 04-07-2010 12:06 AM ET (US)            

I am also sure they will recommend a BRP Viper TBX as that is the obvious first choice of the BRP propeller offerings for a boat like this.

I also suspect they will recommend the 19" pitch size, though they may recommend the 17" pitch size.

That is all just fine as you can gather some initial performance data to use as a baseline with this prop even if it is not the perfect propeller (which it could be).

The one thing I would caution you about if the motor mounting height. My experience is that most dealers are not savvy about motor mounting height and will typically install a motor lower that it really should be.

posted 04-07-2010 01:03 AM ET (US)            

Thanks for all the good advise.

The dealer has been in business for like quite a few decades and seems to know his stuff real well...I will talk to him soon and find out more about where they plan on placing the motor..and the prop size and type they recommend. I very much wanted your response so that I could talk from so base knowledge about that. I belive he will give me the prop I request, but it will be interesting to see what he says and does.Yeah, I hope he knows what hes doing too Tom:)especially about where to place the motor.I also am looking to see how he places those 2 3.5 inch dials (digital) because of the plate originally had 3 2 inch and 1 3.5 inch dials. Also the key start and auto cut off switches will be taken out as well.

Tom how would I know where the engine should be mounted...the merc was at 2 holes up...dosn't the plate have to be even with the water line?..please explain...Ill look for it...or mention it to him.

We talked about adding other dials rather than just plug them....Installer is pretty good at this and has done quite a few.

Joe, thanks, Im still looking forward to that NY event, and especially with the new engine. Yes,its very exciting to finally get this motor on Das Boat.

posted 04-07-2010 09:17 AM ET (US)            

Congratulations on your E-TEC. You are going to be very happy with that choice.

posted 04-08-2010 05:03 PM ET (US)            

I will assume your talking about a 18 outrage classic rather than the Post Classic Nantucket...

I have spoken to the dealer a few times and he thing ...maybe a 17 viper...I told him what Tom told me...
but I am sure I can work out a swap and a sea trail the day I pick it up...there is water very near:)) Actually spoke to the dealer yesterday and today regarding the dials, faceplate on the Nantucket, and the new dials. We had planned on two large dials but the plate and existing holes became an issue, so we will go with the face plate as is and just fill them with I command, and although I will have some redundancy, it will look really great.

The gas tank sensor will have to be replaced and thats no small task on a Nantucket...but I have to say, my dealer will stick by his guns and "give me anything I want"

Its a real sweet way to work with people. When its all done, Ill give them the kudos they deserve:) not to mention a lot more business as they are so far exceeding my expectations.

Merc is degigged, and the weather has changed to gorgeous for the next week or more...just sitting on my hands here:))

posted 04-09-2010 12:33 PM ET (US)            

If your E-TEC 150 is only one hole up on the transom of your classic Outrage 18, the it is at least one hole too low.

posted 04-09-2010 03:47 PM ET (US)            

I would have thought it would go two up just like the other one....

but then again, what do I know?

posted 04-10-2010 04:53 PM ET (US)            

My boat is a 2008 Montauk 190. Merc was a 115 4 Stroke. I think I'm swinging a 17" prop. The rude was fitted in the same holes as the Merc (from the factory).

Gas milage is around 2 miles per gallon and oil usage is about 10 hrs per gallon. A day of fishing at trolling speeds are great 10 gals per 8 hrs. These are aprox estimates.

I'll work on the pictures.

posted 04-14-2010 08:16 PM ET (US)            

Hopfully Friday as dealer had to send for some parts...

Ive waited this long...I cant wait some more...

Getting the rigs ready for rock fish season:)))while I wait:)

posted 04-14-2010 10:32 PM ET (US)            

Sorry for taking so long about the prop but I'm working in Haiti and my boat is in Puerto Rico. When I go back this weekend and I'm able to take out the boat (if my wife let's me) I'll get you the info.

posted 04-16-2010 06:23 PM ET (US)            

Holy Cow!!! IDIDDIT! Man oh Man!

"Pilgram your search has ended"

I waited so long and now It's done.

I got treated like a "King" Everything I wanted, was installed exactly like I wanted it.The Dealer through in a brand new Viper 19P to boot, I-Commnad Digital Dials and I put my oil container in the CC for storage. I have GPS, digiatal fuel, 1 large dial and 3 small...and I did not have to remove or replace the nantucket face plate thanks to the dealer...

I'm in a state of shock...this all went perfectly...

Ill post picks later....

Henry

posted 04-17-2010 12:03 AM ET (US)            

But here are a few....just cut and paste...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Yiddil/DSC00023.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Yiddil/DasBOat/DSC00012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Yiddil/DasBOat/DSC00013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Yiddil/DasBOat/DSC00015-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Yiddil/DasBOat/DSC00023-1.jpg

posted 04-17-2010 11:04 AM ET (US)            

Marlin...I Know you have always loved Merc's, and I think I loved mine too. You know I enjoyed that Merc I had.
but this is a horse of a different color...from what I am told.I am so excited to finally have her...not many things in life you plan and wait 5 years for:)

Okay let me see..."Das House", "Das Boat", "Das Etec"

And at Rock Fish Trophy season begins too:)))

Can someone explain why they purge the oil system of air...

Thats kind of new for me...

Other than that, Ill post more picks after some on the water time:)) and let you all know how she did...I am expecting to say "holy Cow" a lot!

posted 04-17-2010 12:19 PM ET (US)            

Das House is in the Northern Neck of Va. about 25 miles from the Chesapeake Bay, on the Potomac River:)))

posted 04-18-2010 02:04 PM ET (US)            

Congrats with the E-Tec my friend! I know you will love that engine. Looks great on Das Boat as well!

Good luck!

Erik

posted 04-18-2010 02:25 PM ET (US)            

Have been reading the operators manual and find some of the items really interesting...The winterization processs is quick, easy and there is like no work involved!. I find it interesting that the plugs have to be set and placed at a torgue with them facing the injectors a specific way...and I am amazed at the lightness of the cowling weight...I used to struggle getting the other cowling off...Also, there is no mention of the spark plug number for these anywhere in the operators book...as they want you to see a ceritfied ETEC dealer for changing these..with the 300 hr break in..Just checking items but
very interesting stuff....so far.

posted 04-18-2010 07:40 PM ET (US)            

Just a very interesting way of doing things ...with this engine...maintanance...winterizing...oil...all different and I think for the better with this bad boy...

Been a real pleasure to start learning. Thank goodness there is so little to do. Less maint. time will make for more enjoyment, all the way around. I always tlooked forward to this day:))

posted 04-18-2010 11:25 PM ET (US)            

The dealer has been spot right on so far. also, you were correct that "BRP Viper TBX as that is the obvious first choice of the BRP propeller offerings for a boat like this" and thats what I got as the base prop. Its the 19p

Actually I asked about a 17, and he recommeded the 19 so we will see how the 19 does. Nice looking prop by the way.
Looked even better when it came in as part of the package deal.:))

I waiting to hear from Otay(ren'e) as she has a similar boat and motor and I asked her to let me know what prop she is using on her boat.

Its interesting to bounce questions off others with similar motors who have the experience. They have been a wealth of information here and around the world.

Henry

posted 04-24-2010 01:30 AM ET (US)            

353571_ICommandInstallationGuide.pdf

I-CommandSupplementRev.pdf

These are 2008...is there a later version of the installation guide and the Network components listings, or is the 2008 the latest version...?

posted 04-24-2010 02:33 PM ET (US)            

The quick start guide and the user guide from the Evinrude I Command simulator page are also 2008.

posted 04-24-2010 03:06 PM ET (US)            

These guides dont seem to be in my packages...so i down loaded them. Makes for interesting reading on how they did what...or didn't.

It would be helpful to have these before buiying so you can judge what you need and how they will be installed.

Also, it there is a problem, (and I dont have one )you can go back and double check an installation or guide.

These materials are really very good to have.I just wondered if they had been updated...I know I did not have them in this format prior to the install.

But then again I had some great advise from very knoledgable people around here:))

posted 04-24-2010 08:15 PM ET (US)            

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/

posted 04-25-2010 09:17 AM ET (US)            

Yes, those are the ones I have from the manufacturer.

They are 2008.

The question I had was are there 2009 edition literature.?

Looks like the 2008 are the most recent ones unless someone shows me something else.....

posted 04-25-2010 11:16 AM ET (US)            

While I'm on here I'd like to finally give some kudo's to Bobby's Marine, Location:901 Jessie DuPont Memorial Highway
Burgess, Virginia 22432,Phone: 804-453-7541,Fax: 804-453-4937.

What a stand up guy Bobby is and when he says "You can have anything you want included in the price" he meant it!!
They provided me with great service at a fair price , delivered exactly as they said and in the time frame they said they would.

I think he's been a dealer for 40 years and is real old school down to earth mom and pop kind of business. When he says you'l get something, you get that something.His staff was really great and the nicest people. Special Thanks to Henry, Bobby's installer.

I would recommend them very highly if your interested in a motor...They have been doing this for a long time:)

Tell um Henry recommended you to them.

Henry AKA THE YIDIL

posted 05-01-2010 11:59 PM ET (US)            

With a full 60 gallons of gas, two people and all the canvas down, using a 19 P Viper TBX...in third hole down...these are preliiminary numbers....with a 1 ft wave...and 10-15mph wind.

Tom let me know what you think...anyone else?

advanced throttle past this to wot and no change
4800 43mph and that felt really fast
4450...39mph
4000...35mph
3500...30.5mph
3300...28mph
2500...Up on plane

I am thinking I probabaly need another size prop? 17P viper? Could that be correct???as I should be in the 5300-5600 so Im about 500-600rpms short...

let me know what you think,

What an Engine...I was shocked at how good this engine was:))Dials were great, have a few vids and shots Ill post when Im on a faster line:)))

Henry

posted 05-02-2010 09:54 AM ET (US)            

Can you explain why the 17 will be a better fit? lets say vs. a higher number...kind of confused about it...Are we saying I would get the 500 rpms added to what I already have going on with the 19? Thnaks Henry

PS I was a bit blown a way by the speed and hole shot with this prop...:)Im crusing at what was once wot with the other engine))))The motor and engine fit nicely:)

posted 05-02-2010 02:52 PM ET (US)            

The engine will sound even better with the right prop, I was amazed at the difference

On my Outrage 210 2006 with a ETEC 200HO the 19 Viper was a bit too much, like yours, WOT 5200 42mph.

With the 17 Viper WOT 5600 45mph

This was with 2 people full gas and T-Top etc

I hope you get more than an extra 400rpm with your Nantucket

The holeshot is just a beast with the 19 and does your engine no good working that hard in the long run. The 17 should be sweeter and better at slow speed control.

posted 05-02-2010 05:03 PM ET (US)            

But please explain the differences in the props 176 vs 19 and why this is happening ..in easy to understand terms:)

posted 05-02-2010 05:11 PM ET (US)            

5200...43mph
4850...39mph
4440...35mph
3900...30.5mph
3700...28mph
2900...20 mph

posted 05-02-2010 07:31 PM ET (US)            

And I want to be at 5500-5600 dont I? And wouldn't that raise my speed a few more MPH at the 5400-5600 as thats what I have been told I want to be?

I had a full 60 gallons of gas and a second passanger...
but the rpms and speed seem off...even when trimed to the optimum settings...

posted 05-03-2010 11:03 AM ET (US)            

Okay, let me see if I have all this straight...

I got 43 @ 4800 rpms

Probabaly 43.5 @ 4900 rpms

I trimmed her out as far as I thought she needed to be

and the wheel was smooth and fluid and not tight..probably 10-13 percent on the dial what ever that means..hehe I usually go by feel.

I am looking for 5500-5600 so I need to try the 17P viper

Have to get the old one off and need to figure out how that works with the new tbx hub set up...and see if I have can 700 more rpms out of the 17 P prop because the 19 is working the engine harder, although I did not feel that, its a matter of what its turning right? right.

I should get some more top speed and better holding with the 17 is what Im hearing..estimates seem to vary ....

Okay, am I missing anything? Why 17 P and not 15, or so I have to go in progression?

I should see more rpms and top speed with the 17?

I dont really understand why...the difference in the blades is what?

Thnaks, Henry

PS By the way.....43 is pretty fast on a 19 foot boat!!!

posted 05-03-2010 11:22 AM ET (US)            

Yes, the 17" Viper is the next prop to try. That should pout the WOT RPM where you want it.

The TBX hub is just like a Flo-Torq. It has the exact same shape. You can even interchange the TBX and Flo-Torqs among all "square bore" propellers.

posted 05-03-2010 11:36 AM ET (US)            

Oh okay, the TBX and flo-t are similar...the nut seems different and there is a cotter pin on the end...and do I really need a torque wrench for this thing at 70lbs...

This is not my fortay, so please be gentle...I know enoght to get me in trouble:)

By the way, does runningt he 19till I get the 17 hurt the engine? I would think not...

Thanks Tom, your real "Mench", you other guys too:)

Henry

PS yting to post a vid on line so you can see this thing run...another pain I dont know enough about...but Im trying:)

posted 05-03-2010 12:59 PM ET (US)            

Peter, I think first hand reports from forum members are a fair comparison.

This is what Sal A said about his Nantucket with a F150:

quote:

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I kissed 50mph in calm conditions at WOT

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This is what Riverwhaler said about his Nantucket powered by a BF150:

quote:

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On nice flat water here on Connecticut River with Honda 150 I can just nudge 50 mph(GPS)before I realize that this is really fast in a boat.

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Before I installed a T-Top on my Nantucket, the BF135 was able to push my boat to 46+ MPH.

I just thought the 150 ETEC would also match Sal and Riverwhalers Nantucket with 150 HP motors.

Maybe after Henry dials his prop in, it will also see that magic 50 MPH mark.

posted 05-03-2010 04:33 PM ET (US)            

I called the dealer and a 17P Viper is waiting for me to swap out, I can either bring the boat and they will do it or I can bring the prop for the swap out. Really fantastic
these guys have been, and even better than I had hoped it would be.

Perry, we will soon find out what the 19 Viper will give me.I dont expect to have to do to much more this year if the 17 Viper pans out. I expect a bit better MPH but really dont see it kissing 50. If I'm in that sweet spot of 5500-5600 rpms I expect to see a few more MPH...but 50...dont really know.

What ever it is, Im sure I will be thrilled..as I was doing 43.5 at 4800rpms! and for a guy who dosnt do that often, It was a bit scary in 1 ft waves...it wasn't flat out there.

Tom, Peter, thanks for the low down on the TBX hub. Helps a great deal with understanding how it works and how it might differ when taking the prop off and on...since I never did it before, I had to ask...thanks for the reply.

Henry AKA THE YIDDIL

PS I'm still smiling from ear to ear, I watch the vid I took of the run...and it was blisterinmg fast!!

posted 05-03-2010 06:24 PM ET (US)            

Well I have issues with changing a prop so I know I wont try and raise the engine another hole...

I will either change the prop myself or bring the entire rig to the dealer and have them change the prop...and possibly raise the engine, but I think maybe I should check the prop first ...then see if I need to raise the engine.

Seems to me the prop is the bigger issue, the one whole is only a half inch or less isnt it???

Thanks Peter.

Perry, your ight about that...its that sweet spot Im looking for...and I'm just thrilled after 5 years of waiting to be able to have one of these on the back of "Das Boat". Now I have "Das House", "Das BOat" and finally "Das Etec" I am so happy I waited and didn't get the other posibilities of engines when I first bought Das Boat, as it gave me a chance to repower the way I wanted to and not the way the dealer wanted me to.

Now I have the combination I want. When that prop gets dialed in I should have an even greater grin on my face.

Sometimes if you wait long enough, all the stars line up, be it, the buyer, the dealer, the engine, and the timing.

I appreciate all the great input and help, kind thoughts, emails from all over the world...nice people you all are:)

thanks, Henry

posted 05-04-2010 12:09 AM ET (US)            

Judging from this video I found....if my Nantucket/Yamaha F150 ever needs a tow I`ll have to call you ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzo4ps9-yqI&feature=related

Peter, what feature of the wake tells you that your a hole high or low ?

Thanks, Ken

posted 05-04-2010 01:34 AM ET (US)            

"Henry -- The Viper 17 should get your RPM up to 5200 under the same conditions. Your tach/speed correlation would look something like this with the Viper 17;
5200...43mph
4850...39mph
4440...35mph
3900...30.5mph
3700...28mph
2900...20 mph"

My numbers with the 19P viper was
Between 4600-4900 no change in either rpms or speed
Felt like no increase at all...

4900 43.5mph and that felt really fast
4450...39mph
4000...35mph
3500...30.5mph
3300...28mph
2500...Up on plane

I guess your numbers have me puzzled..Im gonna increase my rpms 300, which is still not in the recommended sweet spot of 5400-5600 rpm's right?Based on your numbers for the 17P.

How do I get to the sweet spot? of 5600? Everything I have read says you should run in that sweet spot...now what??

Good question Ken, what feature of the wake tell you your to high or to low???

The more I learn, the more confused I get..

posted 05-04-2010 11:07 AM ET (US)            

before I go and swap out that 19P for a 17P Ill make another run with special attention to the trim. Maybe Ill get a few hundred more and then when I get that 17P it will be in that sweet spot of 5500-5600. I may have been tentative on the trim ( I think the guage said 10-13%) at the most, and I usually don't go by any guage, or at least I didnt befor ethe Etec. If its still lower RPM's Ill just go swap out the prop and see. The 17 seems to be the one that might do the trick. I think the 15 is going to give me to much rpms. Ill let you all know how it goes...

Can someone discribe the raising of this engine and how that is done...is that something I can do, or is it something the dealer would do? and how?

I dont anticpate having to do it, but I'd like to understand how its done...I understand from at least one person, it would also add 100 rpms if I raise it one hole?

Thnaks for the help everyone.

posted 05-05-2010 03:10 PM ET (US)         

I would use Boston Whaler's recommendation and use a Mercury Enertia prop, as they do in the test that showed a Verado 150 doing 46.8 MPH. Remember, the Enertia prop is the one the "finds" extra HP in an engine, and it looks as if the Evinrude could use this.

If Henry's Nantucket/190 Outrage is going to do the same top end as the Verado 150, it MUST use a 19" BRP prop or get a Mercury Enertia installed. A BRP 17" prop at 5600 RPM and the 1.85 gearing is usually only good for about 44 MPH. Since this is about what he is getting, the 17 may indeed be right, but the boat won't do 47 MPH as Tom has indicated.

posted 05-05-2010 05:09 PM ET (US)            

On the way down this thread I needed to know about proping this engine to its full potential, and learn more about something I know very little about.

I had similar issues and questions when I owned my Merc 115-2 and people were really nice in discussing the pros and cons of what would work best.

Most everyone has tryed to be helpful to a novice who just dosn't have the experience and Im much appreciative of their input. Your experience is valued so what ever you want to add that can help is appreciated.

As Ive stated previously, I will re-test the 19P Viper TBX setup again, if I can't get the rpm's up, then I will surly put a 17P Viper on her next and see how that performs.It's about optimum rpms for the engine, not the top speed, Im trying to get it to run as designed.

posted 05-05-2010 08:28 PM ET (US)            

Congrats! How could I have missed this thread? Busy, I guess.

I miss my Nantucket with the F150 for sure. It would be the "goldilox" Whaler for me right now.

I am teetering between a Yamaha F75 and an ETEC 75, as repower choices for my Montauk.

Anyways Best Of Luck!

posted 05-05-2010 09:40 PM ET (US)            

No need to apoligize, actually, I learn a bit more as I move down this thread and I know most everyone is trying to help me decide on the best prop for this engine.

After thinking about it, no matter how I trim her, I wont get to that sweet spot with the 19P Viper, so I will take off the 19 and swap it out for the 17Viper. I am told I gain 200 rpm's for each inch of pitch generally, so that would give me 400 more RPM's and put me in the 5400 possibly a bit more range. Maybe with a better trim job I'd be right at 5500. So thats what I am heading towards.
I expect to try that all out the next few days.I do expect that if thats the case I'll be doing 45 wot, and thats more than enough for this whalering guy.If its more, fine, if its less fine.Dont think it can be less if Im already at 44. And belive me when I say, thats flying!!!!in a 19 ft. boat.

Sal, You should have kept that Nantucket from day one...and yes, go ahead and tease me all you want:)
Thanks for the well wishes Sal. I know your genuinely happy for me.If I could buy my son a Martin, OMC Aura, it was time for something special for me for a change:):)))

I have waited 5 years for this very engine on this very boat and I have no regrets for the personal choice I have made.I'm actually thrilled.:)

Maybe if my needs change, I'll play with that MERCURY Enertia propeller, or even try a 19P four blade prop. I know Kamie has one I'm sure I could try down the road.

First ill get her close to the 5500-5600...then I can play later...Henry

posted 05-06-2010 06:15 AM ET (US)            

You have to go to the Martin Factory in Nazareth PA. Heck I'll go with you. Bring your son. I'll show him my custom they made for me.

posted 05-06-2010 11:52 AM ET (US)            

Im sure we would be in for that trip:)))can we go by Whaler Sal?

posted 05-06-2010 05:16 PM ET (US)            

The Rebel and the Cyclone are great props but in my experience you need 2-4" less pitch with these props compared to the Viper to maintain the same rpms at wot

Of course you get different characteristics (ie low speed planning and better grip, following sea control and stern vs bow lift, better mpg at cruise etc).

Yiddil needs to get to his optimum rpm at wot of ~5600rpm first. This is best achieved by staying with the same/similar type of prop before selecting alternatives which can give un expected results.

Of course it helps when you have dealer who will let you try them all.

Regards
Steve

posted 05-06-2010 05:44 PM ET (US)            

Need to get the viper dialed in so I have the 5500-5600RPM's whcih is the sweet spot for the ETEC 150. It would be harder to do switching around from prop type to prop type. Once I get things were they should be, and Im pretty close, I can play down the road with other types of props. Sjuae is correct.Why complicate thing with different characteristics of different props at this point.

posted 05-07-2010 01:56 AM ET (US)            

I think you will do better than an extra 400rpm with the 17 over the 19 Viper

I know it's your new baby but you will be suprised how much you need to trim out and the time it takes for that last 100rpm to creep up

You may feel your pushing her a bit hard just to get the right result when you have less than a few hours on her and it's still using double oil

You still have a card up your sleeve by raising up one more bolt hole if you find you are still short by 100-150rpms

Take it easy and enjoy and wait for the perfect day and try her again is my advice.

Regards
Steve

posted 05-08-2010 12:21 AM ET (US)            

I also found out today that raising the engine is no big deal using the tung jack...so if need be Ill get a helper and do that.

But first Ill try this 17P viper.

Interesting tidbit...the TBX Hib kit does not include the prop nut, keeper and pin...thats something that comes with the engine package...I thought it was all one kit.

The things you learn on the way to the shed:)))

Henry

posted 05-08-2010 09:43 AM ET (US)            

No sitting on hands get that cowling off and give her a protective spray coating as I expect you have not had chance to do that yet :)

Regards
Steve

posted 05-08-2010 08:56 PM ET (US)            

Hurry up wind, die down...

I spoke to a master ETEC mechanic at another dealer today...highest trained I believe..they have that prop borrowing program...

told me the 19 would give better fuel nubers and all I should ahve had to do was raise her up...to late ...and the 17 will be perfect to, I should get 500 more to around 5500...but I did not understand about the 5350 number...as being where I wanted to be...vs 5500-5600....

Anyone explain??

posted 05-09-2010 03:02 PM ET (US)            

Check your manual and have a look here for rpms

http://www.etecownersgroup.com/post?id=2671224

Yep I just used some mercury protective coating as it was all I could get here

posted 05-09-2010 07:40 PM ET (US)            

Ill post some more pics when I have a moment...I know there is at least one vid...on the tube...

here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t14ropPFqLw

soon as I got done with that test, I went and got a haircut! Almost beat myself to death with my long hair!!!

posted 05-20-2010 03:58 PM ET (US)            

I headed for the Lower Machodacc, off the Potomac River as it was a bit calmer there. The whole shot was incredible!
This motor loves to run! I watched in amazement as she climbed right up on plane in a matter of seconds. When I got to 5000 rpms, I just swallowed hard and pulled the trigger and she went WOT 45! 5500rpms! I did it twice to be sure it was acurrate, Cav Plate looked like it was just at the water line a a hair below...

It was to scary to go that fast for to long. I had clean underware on and wanted to keep them that way!! so after a bit I slowed her up to 35 and cought my breath!LOL Unbelivable!I am sure you all wanted more techno stuff but I could not watch the rpms and the engine, and writing it all down as I went... while doing 45MPH. Thats just not possible or safe!!!I'm sure my underware report was not scientific either LOL

Ill get someone to hop on board and we can do that again...and get the breakdown of numbers for everyone.

I thought the RPM's were great at 5500, I am sure I could raise this guy up a hole but what for? Im right there in the sweet spot.

Everyone has been a great deal of help, thankyou...Tom, Peter, Sjuae, seahorse and others..I am amazed at how acurrate you all were...with predictions and assistance...
I did not expect to get 500 more RPm's with the 17P Viper, but I was very suprized and happy with the results. I can live with that a while and play again later...

One day I might try that Advantage, but for right now...I couldnt be more happy. I probably would get that 2-3 extra MPH some how, but it was never my intention to be the fastest ....although I might be the only Nantucket with an ETEC...that I know of...

I have to remember I have a couple of coats of paint on her and lots of canvas, a forward lounge...(probabaly a 60 lbs, 2 batteries, so I have some extra weight to bare, the engine adds an extra 75 also from the previous engine..so Im totally pleased...

posted 05-20-2010 10:21 PM ET (US)            

I think you are saying::

E-TEC 150-HP on Boston Whaler190 MONTAUK

MPH =45
RPM =5,500

posted 05-20-2010 11:03 PM ET (US)            

Excited! You bet!bringing heart meds and spare underware tomorrow:))))

"Henry--I love your excitement with the new motor. It is contagious.
I think you are saying::
E-TEC 150-HP on Boston Whaler190 MONTAUK
MPH =45
RPM =5,500
Propeller = BRP Evinrude VIPER 17-inch pitch"

ETEC 150-HP on Boston Whaler Nantucket 19
MPH-45
RPM-5450
Propeller BRP Evinrude Viper TBX 19Pitch

I checked this a couple of times today as I did the first run with the hash marks on the tac...then realized there is another readout below it...Guess I now need to play with the guages and learn them:))I may see if it comes up after some break in). I hear that happens sometimes. I have three 2 inch guages and 1 3 inch Tac, so I really should not have to page through anything. that was why i got the 4:) Its hard to page through them while going so fast!

But I cant see how 50-100rpms would make much of a difference....????would anyone like to chime in...?

I may raise her up a hole...Im sitting at 2 from the bottom, so I have two more I can go up.But not right away.

But I'm pretty close, cav plate looked like it was right on. Could not take a pic or vid while doing all this alone...GEEEZE!!!the thought!!And the trimming was considerable more as I thought it would be...like 25-28 percent on the guage...

Henry

posted 05-21-2010 01:21 AM ET (US)            

Congrats

Don't worry about the extra 50rpms or so just a bit of trim or loading or calmer conditions easily changes this.

There's no run in time with ETEC just a 5 hour double oil period if your dealer set this.

I know the hum was different in your underwear :) but the engine should have also sounded sweeter and the hole shot progressive rather than brutal on/off with the old 19 Viper

There's no rush to raise your engine, enjoy

Regards
Steve

posted 05-21-2010 09:12 AM ET (US)            

She growled like she wanted more!!! I was shocked!

The hole shot was incredible...she gets up so quickly...

I now know what I was missing when I had that Merc 115 carbed motor...great motor...but there is clearly no comparison...

posted 05-21-2010 09:23 AM ET (US)            

It was like you were riding around in a full sized truck with a 6 cylinder engine, now you are riding around in the same truck but with a large V-8.

Have fun with all the new horsepower. :-)

posted 05-21-2010 12:13 PM ET (US)            

However, based on what you have reported, I suspect the motor should still be raised one more bolt hole (and if the AV plate was just below the surface, maybe two bolt holes) and I also suspect you may be able to go back to the 19" Viper if you do so.

posted 05-21-2010 03:31 PM ET (US)            

thnaks for the most recent reply...I am actually starting to get a little of this prop stuff...just enough to be dangerous through.

It's kind of hard to tell exactly where the cav plate is looking behind you going 45mph and still maintaining control of the helm. What I will do is have a friend get aboard and determine were it is while I drive the boat and jot down al the numbers I call out. Thats a bit safer than me trying to do it alone at that speed...

I like the way the 17P Viper TBX works and eventually will raise her one hole to get another 100-150 rpms. Obviously, I wont be doing that alone either. with that xtra rpms (100-150) I should be in the 5550-5600 range, being that Im at 5400-5450 now. I avs the 17?m told its not a big deal to run for a while as she is right now..100rpms cant be that critical to engine wear for a little while....

I'd like to try that advantage one day after I get this settled in. I only have a week or two before a major boating event, so I wont do to much more until after the June 5th date..refreash my memory, the 19 will do what for me vs the 17? If I move it up one more hole...Id be right there...why go back tot he 19???

posted 05-22-2010 12:22 PM ET (US)            

I was reading some other posts on props the that Advantage prop...

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/004317.html. '

Learned a few more things about lugging an engine...Sals remarks are interesting too:)Dont want to lug my engine:))

Are you still able to get that 17" Stiletto and hub kit> Advantage...what hub does it use? I think I'd like to try that prop some time in the near future. Shoot me an email when you have the time.I can't swap out present blade again.

Still going to raise that engine one hole when I find someone to do it with me, or get a mechanic to do it...

Thanks, Henry

posted 05-23-2010 05:48 PM ET (US)            

I've had a few of those already!

One time when I brought the throttle back down a bit fast, I almost went through the windshield:))

I spent two days trying to get my sea legs together as I will be hading down the potomac River to the Chesapeake Bay for the Potomac Swim again this year so I wanted to make sure I was fairly comfortable before hand...these last 4-5 hrs was absolutly a hoot:)Having one good elbow dosn't really help either...:)

Im getting there...even if the water on the Potomac was smooth as a baby's tush those days...Can't wait to see what happens when the wave and wind pick up...Ill be bronkobusting Im sure:))

Waiting to find out who sells that Stelletto Advantage II 19P and the figure out the right hub..for the best price...Ill kind of like to try that prop out one day in the near future...

If your ever down these parts, come and Ill give you a ride:)))

posted 05-24-2010 01:29 PM ET (US)            

LOts to learn, and lots to play with...I dont usually flush my motors, but I hear its pretty easy with this beast. So I will check that out with the direct hose connect...I think I saw someone say something about a special attachment, but it was only for the 225?? Is that correct?

Then I need to double check the guages and play with them, looking to see how many ways I can get gas tank reading for whats left in the tank..I did have a I-command sensor installed...need to see about that...

Also need to see about those hose covers...they look like shop vac hose...I like that look better...neater.

And of course, I'll do some more testing with less gas and weight, but I think I could try trimming out a bit more...and see if that gives me the 100 I want and need...

Oh heck...suns out, gonna run:))

Henry

posted 05-24-2010 09:10 PM ET (US)            

Thanks, I will email you for specifics...there is no rush as I will use the Viper for the next two weeks as I get all the other small issues done..ie gauges, wire mesh cover and some other small items as I prepare for my annual "Potomac Swim' event the weekend of June 5th.

I realized as I check my guages that the tank was not full but was set up for a 60 gallon tank, so I will go back and refill everything full, then reset all the paramiters for the fuel digital sensor. Should not take to much to do...but clearly it needs a tweek as it's not exactly showing what I want. Thats the nice thing about these I-command guages, you can do a lot of setting up with them to give you what you want to see. There documentation seems pretty straight forward.. I am also seeing a need to designate a battery just for starting the engine and another for electronics...I understand the Evinrude people have a part to do that without having to put in a new two battery switch...again. most of this is all new to me, but I am working to smooth things out.

posted 06-08-2010 07:05 PM ET (US)            

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Yiddil/MF2_4351.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/Yiddil/MF2_4307.jpg

My best to everyone for there help and kind thoughts,