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Marko888 posted 12-16-2013 08:25 PM ET (US)   Profile for Marko888  
It's mid-December, late in my work day, and I'm thinking about the next engine for my 1985 Outrage 18. It currently has a 1985 Johnson 150, with compression in the 80-PSI range, which will do 45-MPH without trying too hard when lightly loaded. The boat floats high so I think it is reasonably dry.

I want a lightweight main engine which will troll pleasantly as I don't care for my boat's handling when I add a kicker. I'm focused on the DF140 for its light weight, cost, and no oil tank in the splash well.

My boat sees frequent general boating use on the lake, loaded with two to four adults, less than half-full tank of fuel, and a few cold drinks. We only occasionally tow water toys. I would estimate typical 500 to 800-lbs loads, including fuel.

The 18 also sees a couple of West Coast salmon fishing trips per year, where we'll head out full of fuel, two to four people, plus downriggers and overnight gear. For these trips, my typical loaded weight can be as high as 1,200-lbs, including fuel.

I'm curious as to what the propeller experts might think of going with a DF140, and two propellers to swap between?

As most of our use is lightly loaded on the lake, where we can use a bit of speed, I'm thinking this engine would be enough to get us into the 42 to 43-MPH WOT range, even though I have found 40-MPH to be fast enough.

When we go fishing, we could "gear down" with a lesser pitch propeller so we can still reach maximum RPM and keep the performance up, but sacrificing some top speed which we couldn't use out there anyway.

Would I be correct in estimating a drop of 2" of pitch to be suitable? What might the top speed decrease be if we changed from, say a 20" to 18" pitch?

jimh posted 12-17-2013 06:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
My remarks are based on calculations made with my "Crouch's Calculator" tool, available to all and often used by "experts" at

http://continuouswave.com/cgi-bin/crouchcalc.pl

My first calculation is to assess the present performance data:

Speed = 45-MPH
Power = 150-HP

Using the general hull factor constant of 180, the calculator calculates the total weight of the boat to be 2,400-lbs. Next, I decrease power to 140-HP to represent the new engine. The speed recalculates to 43.5-MPH. Finally, I add 400-lbs to the calculated weight to account for the condition of heavy loading mentioned (1,200-lbs) compared to the typical load (800-lbs). The final speed estimate is now 40.2-MPH.

With these estimates, the 140-HP engine would have a top speed of 43.5-MPH with typical load and 40.2-MPH with the heavy load.

My remarks now will be based on calculations made with my "Propeller Calculator" tool, available to all and often used by "experts" at

http://continuouswave.com/cgi-bin/propcalc.pl

The inputs to the calculator will be

ENGINE SPEED = 5,600 to 6,200-RPM
ENGINE RATIO = 2.59:1

as listed at http://www.suzukimarine.com/Product%20Lines/Outboard%20Motors/Products/ DF140/2012/DF140A.aspx

BOAT SPEED = 43.5 (as calculated above)

PROPELLER SLIP = 10 % (based on typical propeller performance)

Now we calculate the propeller pitch for the two extremes of the engine wide-open throttle (WOT) speed range:

Using the maximum WOT of 6,200-RPM, the PITCH calculates to 21.3
Using the minimum WOT of 5,600-RPM, the PITCH calculates to 23.6

Next we reduce the target speed to 40.2-MPH, as estimated to be our speed potential with the heavy load, and recalculate the propeller pitch for the two engine speeds:

Using the maximum WOT of 6,200-RPM, the PITCH calculates to 19.7
Using the minimum WOT of 5,600-RPM, the PITCH calculates to 21.8

We see that a pitch change of 2-inches represents the difference between the higher speed target and lower speed target. This seems to confirm your own estimate that a propeller change of about 2-inch pitch may be needed to maintain the engine speed in the proper range between the the typical load and the heavy load.

Marko888 posted 12-17-2013 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for Marko888    
Thank you Jim.
Marko888 posted 03-08-2014 01:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marko888    
I'm getting closer on this, so need to figure out which prop to get first.

From searching, I see the most common suggestions for the 2.59 gear ratio DF140 on an Outrage 18 are the SS Suzuki 14x20 or the Stiletto Advantage 14x20. I've also seen mention that these two props are very similar.

Another member is very happy using a 18p Powertech 4-blade on the earlier DF140 with the 2.38 gear ratio, for offshore use.

I'd prefer to get the moderate load prop first, then test with that to figure out what I'll need for the fishing trips.

Tom W Clark posted 03-08-2014 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Mark,

For a DF140, with its 6200 RPM redline and 2.59:1 gear ratio on a classic Outrage 18, I'd try a 14" x 18" first, Suzuki, Stiletto or Turbo branded.

tomol posted 03-18-2014 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for tomol  Send Email to tomol     
I'm guessing you won't need two props.

I have a DF140, and I'm running a 14 x 22 prop. I'm a tad over propped and top out at 5900 rpm and 42 mph. I've got lots of old bottom paint and my engine is mounted a hole low.

I also make a yearly trip with loads at least as heavy as you're describing, and the first year I had that outboard, I brought a second prop with less pitch. Never needed it. The boat jumps up on a plane without hesitation.

I'll bet if you put a 14 x 20 on there, you'll be good to go in any situation.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j19/Tomol_2006/IMG_1891copy.jpg

wireline2 posted 03-18-2014 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for wireline2  Send Email to wireline2     
I currently have a 1989 18' Outrage with a 2005 140hp Suzuki 4-stroke.
It performs quite well with a 14x20 SS prop with the engine raised up on the transom by 2".
Otherwise you will experience too much spray by the anti cavitation plate.

I have over 2500 hours on this engine without any problems.
Will replace at the end of this year.

BMack posted 03-18-2014 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for BMack  Send Email to BMack     
I have a 1987 18ft Outrage with a Suzuki Df115, SS 14x20, works well with all loads; 60 mile trips off east coast of Florida typically burn 12 to 15 gallons. 1200 plus hours with no issues.
Marko888 posted 03-23-2014 11:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marko888    
Thanks for the feedback on setup. We're looking forward to getting this put together.

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