posted 03-01-2014 12:57 PM ET (US)        

My main questions are performance related. Can anybody with experience chime in on what type of fuel economy (GPH) I can expect from a 1987 yammie 2 stroke 175, when paired with the classic 22' hull?

Also, I guess I wonder if she might be slightly underpowered. My dad had a 1989 22 outrage with twin 200 yamahas. Granted it had whaler drive, but I feel like I more commonly see classic 22's powered by 200-250 hp singles.

Anyhow, if anyone has any thoughts, I would appreciate the help.

Best Regards,

posted 03-01-2014 02:23 PM ET (US)            

The paint used by Yamaha in c.1987 was also improved compared to earlier years.

I had a few problems with my 1987 Yamaha engines, which took a bit of repairs to remedy. I had problems with the stator coils of the alternator. I had to replace the stator coils on both engines. The problem was not intrinsic to the engine. I believe an incorrect arrangement of the battery wiring was causing the alternator coils to fail. Once I corrected that, I had no further problems with the alternator.

I had the propeller shaft seals replaced on both engines. On one engine there was too much corrosion on the retainer, and it could not be removed. This required cutting the retainer casting apart. I replaced that component with a like-new used part, actually a Mercury part, as the gear case design of the Yamaha was just about identical to a Mercury gear case.

I had one operational problem with the engine that occurred when the rubber boot of the spark plug high-tension conductor became loose and the conductor fell off the spark plug terminal. I remedied this problem by using plastic ty-wraps to increase the tension of the rubber boot against the spark plug. I never had any problems with the spark plug leads following that.

I had one operation problem with the engine that occurred when the safety lanyard cord fitting loosened itself from the lanyard switch just enough to activate the engine shut off, but the lanyard was still retained in the switch. It took several hours of investigation to find this. The lanyard can be retained in the safety switch even though the switch has been activated. This might save you some frustration.

Regarding the fuel economy of a 22-foot Boston Whaler hull in the REVENGE configuration: I would expect the fuel economy to be above 2-MPG, perhaps 2.5-MPH, under optimum cruise. It is hard to predict because many factors will influence the fuel economy. Your particular boat, the weight, the propeller, your operating speeds, the water, the weather--all of these affect fuel economy.

posted 03-01-2014 05:31 PM ET (US)            

I am running 8 cylinders to your proposed six, and two lower units of drag to your proposed one. So you can probably increase my numbers somewhat for using a single V6. How much is the question. My best estimate would be 10-15%, but that is not based on any testing.

You already know this is a very good hull for seakeeping and maintaining speed in a rough chop. It is probably not underpowered if you don't have to carry a lot of people, accelerate quickly to tow skiers, or win speed races. If you find the power to be a bit low, you can easily repower with a larger single or twins.

Good luck on your purchase. If you think I can help further, please feel free to contact me.

posted 03-02-2014 11:46 AM ET (US)            

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http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/images/22RevengeCuddy640x412. jpeg

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I think Tom is trying to suggest that in October of 2002 I must have seen that image, as that is the date of that file upload. I guess Tom has better recollection ab antiquo than I do.

To get to the actual question I asked of Mobjack: is your boat a REVENGE CUDDY 22? The reason I ask: I suspect the REVENGE CUDDY may be lighter than a REVENGE or REVENGE WT. That may enhance your fuel economy.

posted 03-02-2014 11:58 AM ET (US)            

Actually, since you introduced the side bar topic of the subtle difference between a Revenge 22 and a Revenge 22 Cuddy and since you further stated you had never seen such a boat I knew this would arouse the curiosity of others reading this so I performed a Google Image search for Revenge 22 Cuddy to find an exemplar of the model.

That photo is, ironically, the first photo that popped up.

posted 03-02-2014 05:29 PM ET (US)            

As you know since you are purchasing the boat with a 27 year old outboard, you should go in knowing it will probably need replacing in the near future. If you can get the boat for a good price then you have an opportunity to repower the boat with what engine you would like.

posted 03-02-2014 06:53 PM ET (US)            

You're telling me seeing pictures on the Internet is possible?

posted 03-02-2014 10:58 PM ET (US)            

As I said, I simply told you what I thought you might be trying to say. Perhaps if you had explained yourself, as you have now, the misinterpretation of what your intention was could have been avoided.

I do agree, that if you had explained yourself, as you have now, in your original posting, and then I responded by proposing a completely alternate theory of what your intention was, I think you would have some room to suggest there was some irony about me claiming to be able to read minds. But at this point, I don't think that accusation carries much validity. Since your post contained very little explanatory information, it was open for interpretation, and I interpreted it.

By the way, I have been also searching to see where that images is actually presented on continuouswave.com. I do not recall it. I don't see it appearing in any of the CETACEA pages. I think I may have uploaded the image 12 years ago thinking I would use it somewhere, but I can't seem to find it in CETACEA. I did find an old thread where I mention the image and linked to it. See

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003566.html

From the context of the thread, the image came from rsgwynn. If I have shown it as an in-line image anywhere on the website, please let me know where.

By the way, the boat under discussion is a REVENGE CUDDY 22. You'll have to take my word on that. In my collection of specifications at

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/specifications.html

posted 03-04-2014 01:17 AM ET (US)            

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As I said, I simply told you what I thought you might be trying to say. Perhaps if you had explained yourself, as you have now, the misinterpretation of what your intention was could have been avoided.

I do agree, that if you had explained yourself, as you have now, in your original posting, and then I responded by proposing a completely alternate theory of what your intention was, I think you would have some room to suggest there was some irony about me claiming to be able to read minds. But at this point, I don't think that accusation carries much validity. Since your post contained very little explanatory information, it was open for interpretation, and I interpreted it.

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Jim -- I find this old adage is very true: A picture is worth a thousand words. And a simple picture is often better than your tediously prolix writing style where you like to state something, then take the words, shuffle them around a bit, and then repeat the same thought, then do that again one, two or three more times as if that somehow will make for a more compelling argument.

posted 03-04-2014 01:19 AM ET (US)            

You could, perhaps, argue that your memory is no longer capable of remembering events from more than ten years ago (I sent you everything I had on every Boston Whaler ever made in the year 2002) but that argument would fall flat because I repeated the gift of all this information in the year 2006. Perhaps your memory is growing more feeble?

posted 03-04-2014 11:53 AM ET (US)            

Pronouns are replaced with the actual nouns in many cases in order to improve the rating of an article when searching. For example, if I mention a particular model of Boston Whaler boat, say an OUTRAGE mode, I prefer to use OUTRAGE instead of "it" "the boat" or other references to the boat in my writing. This improves the chances that the article will be found when one searches for the term OUTRAGE. It does sometimes lead to what might be found, particularly by a very critical reader like Tom W. Clark, to be a bit of repetition of certain words.

I have also found that it is better to include explicit mention of certain ideas or functions, rather that to refer to them as "this" or "that". By including a phrase or sentence fragment that presents the idea or fragment, instead of just referring to it with "this" or "that", there is less confusion. For example, consider these two sentences:

1) I don't know if he gets it.

2) I do not know if Tom Clark gets the concept I have used in repeating key words and writing out phrases as a way to increase the search results or to make clearer the logical connection in the writing.

The first is an example of using pronouns. The second is an example of avoiding them.

Tom did send me some electronic data. For many years it was available to me instantly from the hard drive of a server I have. Unfortunately, the server stopped working a year ago. I have not had time to repair it. I set about the other day to find the actual media that contained the data. I am afraid my organization of the physical media is not very good, and I have not found it. But I am still looking for it. I am sure it is around here somewhere. When it comes to physical organization of materials, I am not very good.