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compromise posted 08-04-2008 09:36 PM ET (US)
I [plan] to install a RACOR fuel-water separator filter on a 190 Outrage. Where is the best location?
Did you do the install yourself or did you have your dealer do it for you?
Which Racor did you use?
thanks
AZdave posted 08-05-2008 01:36 AM ET (US)
I installed the filter on the transom. I cheated and used the base from an earlier filter installation that used filters manufactured by Mercury. If you have an existing filter base, there is a good chance that Racor makes a filter that will fit. Think about the height though. If you plan to make the best use of the filter, you will drain fluid from the bottom. That means you have to get a container under the filter. That may limit your installation options. I would also install the filter upstream or before the primer bulb. If the filter is clogged it will cause the primer bulb to collapse. Dave
jimh posted 08-05-2008 08:57 AM ET (US)
RACOR filters should be installed on the suction side of the fuel system. This implies they must be upstream of the primer bulb.
Installation of a RACOR fuel filter is very straightforward. It should be simple to install one. The filter manifold can be easily mounted with two or three threaded fasteners to a bulkhead with sufficient reinforcement. I recommend filling the filter element with some fresh gasoline before threading it onto the manifold. This will prevent having to purge a lot of air from the fuel system.
jimh posted 08-05-2008 09:05 AM ET (US)
I prefer the RACOR filter element with a clear plastic lower bowl. This allows you to see the contents of the filter and also to draw off some fuel to sample.
GreatBayNH posted 08-07-2008 09:59 AM ET (US)
I had the same question with my 2006 Montauk 170. Here are some links. Hope this helps and/or inspires.
http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/srcbell/2008%20Season%20Prep/Northstar%20F210%20Install/?albumview=grid
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/003443.html
GreatBayNH posted 08-07-2008 10:02 AM ET (US)
Forgot to add link tags. My bad.
http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/srcbell/2008%20Season%20Prep/ Northstar%20F210%20Install/?albumview=grid
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/003443.html
Also, The thread title says "190 Montauk" (which is why I replied). However your first post says "190 Outrage". I claim ignorance to the Outrage model.
compromise posted 08-07-2008 09:44 PM ET (US)
Thank you for the replies.
I will be getting a Racor filter, and I believe I did see a stainless steel aftermarket mounting part of the filter. I believe I will look into that one.
I have a 150 verado on this outrage, and I do not have a primer bulb.
I will email boston whaler next and ask them if they have a perferred location for mounting a fuel filter.
I will let you know what whaler suggests for this boat.
jimh posted 08-07-2008 09:50 PM ET (US)
190 OUTRAGE--Sorry for the confusion.
Perry posted 08-08-2008 02:51 AM ET (US)
I'm surprised your 190 Outrage didn't come rigged with a fuel water separator. Is it an issue with the Verado motor not needing one or not getting enough fuel pressure with one?
My 190 came with one but it wasn't rigged with a Verado.
boatdryver posted 08-08-2008 09:09 AM ET (US)
Perry, my 175 HP 4 cyl Verado has an internal fuel/water separator under the cowling and Mercury recommends against adding an external one for the reason you state.
However, others on CW have added Racors to Verado setups with no ill effects.
JimL
RonB posted 08-08-2008 09:05 PM ET (US)
Does adding a RACOR fuel filter or Mercury fuel filter on a Verado against the advice of Mercury void the warranty especially if it creates a change in vacuum that that the fuel pump is trying to maintain?
I'm fighting a problem with water in the fuel and THOUGHT about another filter too, my concern however is my warranty.
glen e posted 08-08-2008 09:35 PM ET (US)
Merc reccomends adding a racor type filter to a verado if e-10 is to be used...page 37 of the 200/225/250/275 manual...bottom of the page...call merc and ask - 920-929-5000
Further if the vacumn draw meets the specs in the verado shop manual, there is no problem mounting a racor. Yellowfin, Sea Vee, Intrepid and others mount them on every new boat....it's not problem if done right.....
glen e posted 08-08-2008 09:49 PM ET (US)
To elaborate a bit more, yes, you will have a warranty problem if the Racor puts a drag on the fuel pull spec of vacumn. However, if a racor is mounted with 3/8 in fule line, not a lot of elbows and is straightforward and the draw is per the shop manual, you will not have a problem. 18 months ago, I wrote the manager of merc corp service if I could mount a Racor if I wanted. His answer verbatum pulled form the email I saved was this:
"The key is "properly installed". If any engine failure results from the installation of a Racor filter, we will void the warranty. A simple test to confirm if the filter is adding too much restriction is to install a vacuum gauge and measure the fuel system vacuum. The acceptable values for various elevations are listed in the Service Manual."
Can't get much clearer than that...
That being said, I have not mounted one and made the switch to E-10 two tanks ago...(540 gallon used so far) no problems encountered so far - I got the tank as low as I could get it and then made the switch. I carry extra filters in case but the filters remain clean and devoid of water. My feeling is it may be older tanks that have the problem. My tanks and lines are 3 years old....
RonB posted 08-09-2008 07:15 PM ET (US)
Glen,
Much thanks for the explanation and your direct experience on this subject, it's much appreciated. I picked up my boat (2007 190 Outrage, 135HP Verado) from the dealer who just serviced it, they said they pumped over a gallon of water out of approximately 7 gallons they pulled from my tank with 30 gallons remaining. They feel they got it all and ran the boat to their satisfaction. They blamed it on the last time I got gas (10 gallons of 89Plus marine gas) on 6/25/08. Then they charged me with three hours of labor. I'm putting it back in the water tomorrow. The plan is to run it almost empty, put a fresh ten gallons in and run that to almost empty and by then I should be good to go.
No mention at least that I can find in the 2006 135/150/175 Verado Outboard Operation, Maintenance and Warranty Manual.
Fingers crossed..oh Glen, picked up a bunch of parts from your web site, thanks. Very friendly folks.
Ron
RonB posted 08-09-2008 07:20 PM ET (US)
"No mention at least that I can find in the 2006 135/150/175 Verado Outboard Operation, Maintenance and Warranty Manual."
should read..
No mention of a RACOR FILTER, at least that I can find, in the 2006 135/150/175 Verado Outboard Operation, Maintenance and Warranty Manual.
towboater posted 08-11-2008 12:57 PM ET (US)
Seems to me, if you risk filling up from shore and dock pumps that have that much water inside their tanks YOU and MERCURY would benifit from properly installing a RACOR "pre" filter/water separator. IMO, the gas prices have risen about the same rate the quality has decreased.
The safety factor (bad fuel issues in a remote area) nearly outweighs the warrantee factor.
I find it hard to comprehend a elbow or two in the fuel line would restrict the flow pressure on the supply side of a 3/8 line for a single 135 hp engine.
Long as you are at it, Im great to spend others money and time. Im not a big fan of single primary filters. I mean, the filter is there to contain water and junk prior to getting to the engine and it is supposed to fill and be replaced. OK. With my luck, this filter will clog during a day I have a boat full of guests 20 miles from a dock in rough water.
This is not a good time to mess with draining bowls and dealing with gas fumes & disposal. Instead, simply close one valve, open the other and away you go. Drain or replace the clogged filter at home.
Instead of installing a single fairly large filter, consider two smaller filters that are rated for 3/8 fuel lines. Im sorry I dont have a link for Racor but I know they offer far more brackets with header valving for twin filters and options that I have seen at West Marine and other boat/engine/sales/repair shops.
I know your space is limited.
Good luck.
mk


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Author	Topic: 190 OUTRAGE: RACOR Filter Location
compromise	posted 08-04-2008 09:36 PM ET (US) I [plan] to install a RACOR fuel-water separator filter on a 190 Outrage. Where is the best location? Did you do the install yourself or did you have your dealer do it for you? Which Racor did you use? thanks
AZdave	posted 08-05-2008 01:36 AM ET (US) I installed the filter on the transom. I cheated and used the base from an earlier filter installation that used filters manufactured by Mercury. If you have an existing filter base, there is a good chance that Racor makes a filter that will fit. Think about the height though. If you plan to make the best use of the filter, you will drain fluid from the bottom. That means you have to get a container under the filter. That may limit your installation options. I would also install the filter upstream or before the primer bulb. If the filter is clogged it will cause the primer bulb to collapse. Dave
jimh	posted 08-05-2008 08:57 AM ET (US) RACOR filters should be installed on the suction side of the fuel system. This implies they must be upstream of the primer bulb. Installation of a RACOR fuel filter is very straightforward. It should be simple to install one. The filter manifold can be easily mounted with two or three threaded fasteners to a bulkhead with sufficient reinforcement. I recommend filling the filter element with some fresh gasoline before threading it onto the manifold. This will prevent having to purge a lot of air from the fuel system.
jimh	posted 08-05-2008 09:05 AM ET (US) I prefer the RACOR filter element with a clear plastic lower bowl. This allows you to see the contents of the filter and also to draw off some fuel to sample.
GreatBayNH	posted 08-07-2008 09:59 AM ET (US) I had the same question with my 2006 Montauk 170. Here are some links. Hope this helps and/or inspires. http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/srcbell/2008%20Season%20Prep/Northstar%20F210%20Install/?albumview=grid http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/003443.html
GreatBayNH	posted 08-07-2008 10:02 AM ET (US) Forgot to add link tags. My bad. http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/srcbell/2008%20Season%20Prep/ Northstar%20F210%20Install/?albumview=grid http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/003443.html Also, The thread title says "190 Montauk" (which is why I replied). However your first post says "190 Outrage". I claim ignorance to the Outrage model.
compromise	posted 08-07-2008 09:44 PM ET (US) Thank you for the replies. I will be getting a Racor filter, and I believe I did see a stainless steel aftermarket mounting part of the filter. I believe I will look into that one. I have a 150 verado on this outrage, and I do not have a primer bulb. I will email boston whaler next and ask them if they have a perferred location for mounting a fuel filter. I will let you know what whaler suggests for this boat.
jimh	posted 08-07-2008 09:50 PM ET (US) 190 OUTRAGE--Sorry for the confusion.
Perry	posted 08-08-2008 02:51 AM ET (US) I'm surprised your 190 Outrage didn't come rigged with a fuel water separator. Is it an issue with the Verado motor not needing one or not getting enough fuel pressure with one? My 190 came with one but it wasn't rigged with a Verado.
boatdryver	posted 08-08-2008 09:09 AM ET (US) Perry, my 175 HP 4 cyl Verado has an internal fuel/water separator under the cowling and Mercury recommends against adding an external one for the reason you state. However, others on CW have added Racors to Verado setups with no ill effects. JimL
RonB	posted 08-08-2008 09:05 PM ET (US) Does adding a RACOR fuel filter or Mercury fuel filter on a Verado against the advice of Mercury void the warranty especially if it creates a change in vacuum that that the fuel pump is trying to maintain? I'm fighting a problem with water in the fuel and THOUGHT about another filter too, my concern however is my warranty.
glen e	posted 08-08-2008 09:35 PM ET (US) Merc reccomends adding a racor type filter to a verado if e-10 is to be used...page 37 of the 200/225/250/275 manual...bottom of the page...call merc and ask - 920-929-5000 Further if the vacumn draw meets the specs in the verado shop manual, there is no problem mounting a racor. Yellowfin, Sea Vee, Intrepid and others mount them on every new boat....it's not problem if done right.....
glen e	posted 08-08-2008 09:49 PM ET (US) To elaborate a bit more, yes, you will have a warranty problem if the Racor puts a drag on the fuel pull spec of vacumn. However, if a racor is mounted with 3/8 in fule line, not a lot of elbows and is straightforward and the draw is per the shop manual, you will not have a problem. 18 months ago, I wrote the manager of merc corp service if I could mount a Racor if I wanted. His answer verbatum pulled form the email I saved was this: "The key is "properly installed". If any engine failure results from the installation of a Racor filter, we will void the warranty. A simple test to confirm if the filter is adding too much restriction is to install a vacuum gauge and measure the fuel system vacuum. The acceptable values for various elevations are listed in the Service Manual." Can't get much clearer than that... That being said, I have not mounted one and made the switch to E-10 two tanks ago...(540 gallon used so far) no problems encountered so far - I got the tank as low as I could get it and then made the switch. I carry extra filters in case but the filters remain clean and devoid of water. My feeling is it may be older tanks that have the problem. My tanks and lines are 3 years old....
RonB	posted 08-09-2008 07:15 PM ET (US) Glen, Much thanks for the explanation and your direct experience on this subject, it's much appreciated. I picked up my boat (2007 190 Outrage, 135HP Verado) from the dealer who just serviced it, they said they pumped over a gallon of water out of approximately 7 gallons they pulled from my tank with 30 gallons remaining. They feel they got it all and ran the boat to their satisfaction. They blamed it on the last time I got gas (10 gallons of 89Plus marine gas) on 6/25/08. Then they charged me with three hours of labor. I'm putting it back in the water tomorrow. The plan is to run it almost empty, put a fresh ten gallons in and run that to almost empty and by then I should be good to go. No mention at least that I can find in the 2006 135/150/175 Verado Outboard Operation, Maintenance and Warranty Manual. Fingers crossed..oh Glen, picked up a bunch of parts from your web site, thanks. Very friendly folks. Ron
RonB	posted 08-09-2008 07:20 PM ET (US) "No mention at least that I can find in the 2006 135/150/175 Verado Outboard Operation, Maintenance and Warranty Manual." should read.. No mention of a RACOR FILTER, at least that I can find, in the 2006 135/150/175 Verado Outboard Operation, Maintenance and Warranty Manual.
towboater	posted 08-11-2008 12:57 PM ET (US) Seems to me, if you risk filling up from shore and dock pumps that have that much water inside their tanks YOU and MERCURY would benifit from properly installing a RACOR "pre" filter/water separator. IMO, the gas prices have risen about the same rate the quality has decreased. The safety factor (bad fuel issues in a remote area) nearly outweighs the warrantee factor. I find it hard to comprehend a elbow or two in the fuel line would restrict the flow pressure on the supply side of a 3/8 line for a single 135 hp engine. Long as you are at it, Im great to spend others money and time. Im not a big fan of single primary filters. I mean, the filter is there to contain water and junk prior to getting to the engine and it is supposed to fill and be replaced. OK. With my luck, this filter will clog during a day I have a boat full of guests 20 miles from a dock in rough water. This is not a good time to mess with draining bowls and dealing with gas fumes & disposal. Instead, simply close one valve, open the other and away you go. Drain or replace the clogged filter at home. Instead of installing a single fairly large filter, consider two smaller filters that are rated for 3/8 fuel lines. Im sorry I dont have a link for Racor but I know they offer far more brackets with header valving for twin filters and options that I have seen at West Marine and other boat/engine/sales/repair shops. I know your space is limited. Good luck. mk