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Feejer posted 05-12-2009 11:30 AM ET (US)
http://albums.phanfare.com/8140341/3897156#imageID=68729897
Attached are two photos. I should preface this by saying the boat is going back to the dealer on June 6th. From the transom drain plug and the hole from the transducer cable, I think since day one, this brown stuff has been leaking out. It has the consistency of very thin oil. Its not sticky and water will remove it. It's not really coming out of the transom plug but from the between the hull and the plastic insert in which the plug goes in. The bilge is dry and I can not see anything like it on the inside of the hole. What ever is coming out is coming out in a VERY slow drip. Could it be some type of reaction of the foam??? If you have any ideas please let me know.
The dealer knows about the problem, I sent him the photos a few weeks ago. They did have a person from BW there about 2 weeks ago but I was unable to bring the boat to him. They will have the boat from Saturday June 6th to Saturday 20th.

Feejer posted 05-12-2009 11:32 AM ET (US)
The boat is a left over 2007 Dauntless 180 which I've had for about a month now
GreatBayNH posted 05-12-2009 02:31 PM ET (US)
I had simliar "leakage" from a small crck in my gelcoat. I did some research on this site when I noticed it last year and I believe my findings were it to be something to do with the young fiberglass resin. My money is that there is access to the fiberglass through a small break in the gelcoat and the fiberglass resin is oozing out like sap from a pine tree.
GreatBayNH posted 05-12-2009 02:33 PM ET (US)
Either that or you found that missing Boston Whaler employee from 2007. They never did find his body.
Feejer posted 05-12-2009 02:39 PM ET (US)
lol
I looked all around the bilge and outside of the hull and can't find any type of crack. I can understand something coming out thru the transom drain because that is the low spot on the boat. What I don't get is the stuff coming of the hole for the smartcraft paddle wheel which is much higher. Its located about two inch to the left of the transom eyes and about 2 inches to the right of the NEW transducer cable which has nothing coming out. I can't wait to see what the dealer comes up with.
Fish Stick posted 05-12-2009 03:04 PM ET (US)
Freejer,
I had the same issue with my previous Whaler, a 2005 130 sport. It started weeping when I drilled into the side to mount something under the console. This was new from the dealer.
I was told by the dealer there is a little bit of condensation/chemical/water (?) in all Whalers as a byproduct from the foam process. It can accumulate in different areas and penetrating the hull will create a path to releive the internal pressure and let this stuff seep out.
It was easy enough to clean up and stopped after about 1 month by resealing the holes.
I have been getting a similar brown/rusty trail from under the rub rail on our current 2006 150 Sport, since almost new. I have chalked it up to rust from the rub rail mounting screws and salt water, but have wondered if it was something internal weeping out of the screw holes. It has not stopped and gets cleaned regularly.
I know from experience there is pressure between the exterior hull and liner. When sealing a recessed flag mount into the rear boarding step, I found a large bubble in the sealant when I returned. Expansion of air or off gassing from the hull interior inflated a decent bubble in the 5200. Had to strip it all off and reseal in the evening so it would cure as temperatures dropped.
This same pressure/expansion is what I would suspect pushes the condensation/chemical/whatever out.
Regardless, the boat is just as much fun today, as the day we bought it, and I don't really think there are any adverse affects.
-Joe

Feejer posted 05-12-2009 03:14 PM ET (US)
Thanks Joe
Thats some comforting information. Although I am wondering what is going to happen when I have the boat sitting in water for 2 weeks in July? Since their is something weeping out I would think water could weep IN.
Feejer posted 05-12-2009 03:40 PM ET (US)
I just got this email from Chuck Bennett. Thought I would share it
Hi Laszlo,
The pictures look like a little water may have found its way in between the transom, around the thru-hull fittings, perhaps. Sometimes it mixes with the reinforcements/fiberglass a bit and gives that reddish color.
Your dealer should be able to take care of this easily by removing the thru-hulls affected, drying out the area (with a heat gun) and resealing any/all of the thru-hull fittings on the transom.
Boston Whaler apologizes for any inconvenience this may have caused you, Laszlo; I'm sure Rick and the crew at Island Marine will have you up and running in no time.
Thanks for the information on the four bladed prop. I'm glad to hear that it is working out for you.
Regards,
Chuck

I can understand water seeping in, what I don't understand is this boat was wrapped for almost 2 years. When I first looked at it with the wrap off in March it was bone dry and what ever is leaking out was already leaking out. Anyway I hope it turns out to be nothing.
GreatBayNH posted 05-12-2009 04:00 PM ET (US)
My weeping stopped after a few months and I didn't do a thing. I really believe it's a byproduct from the manufacturing process. I think yours would have stopped on its own over time but having the dealer take a look and seal anything up that needs sealing is a good move. Especially if it's under warranty. I wouldn't sweat it Feej. Enjoy your new boat!
-Seth
boatdryver posted 05-12-2009 04:29 PM ET (US)
Hey feejer.
If there's a thread about your 4 bladed prop how can I find it?
I'm wondering about getting one for my 200 Dauntless to improve dockside handling and decrease the ventilation on hole shot caused by the V hull digging a big hole in front of the prop
JimL
Feejer posted 05-12-2009 05:11 PM ET (US)
Here you go Jim
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/006642.html
jimh posted 05-13-2009 01:37 AM ET (US)
I have seen a dark amber or brown fluid leaking from the hull or components of a Boston Whaler boat, but generally it has been older boats, say boats from the era of 1985 to 1988. I have taken it as a sign of some water that has mixed with some uncured resin in the laminate structure.
I have seen it show up on a boat that is in such fabulous shape and appearance that you'd think it was a new boat. Someplace a little water has gotten into the interior and it comes out as a smelly brown liquid.

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Author	Topic: What is this? Description and photo's
Feejer	posted 05-12-2009 11:30 AM ET (US) http://albums.phanfare.com/8140341/3897156#imageID=68729897 Attached are two photos. I should preface this by saying the boat is going back to the dealer on June 6th. From the transom drain plug and the hole from the transducer cable, I think since day one, this brown stuff has been leaking out. It has the consistency of very thin oil. Its not sticky and water will remove it. It's not really coming out of the transom plug but from the between the hull and the plastic insert in which the plug goes in. The bilge is dry and I can not see anything like it on the inside of the hole. What ever is coming out is coming out in a VERY slow drip. Could it be some type of reaction of the foam??? If you have any ideas please let me know. The dealer knows about the problem, I sent him the photos a few weeks ago. They did have a person from BW there about 2 weeks ago but I was unable to bring the boat to him. They will have the boat from Saturday June 6th to Saturday 20th.
Feejer	posted 05-12-2009 11:32 AM ET (US) The boat is a left over 2007 Dauntless 180 which I've had for about a month now
GreatBayNH	posted 05-12-2009 02:31 PM ET (US) I had simliar "leakage" from a small crck in my gelcoat. I did some research on this site when I noticed it last year and I believe my findings were it to be something to do with the young fiberglass resin. My money is that there is access to the fiberglass through a small break in the gelcoat and the fiberglass resin is oozing out like sap from a pine tree.
GreatBayNH	posted 05-12-2009 02:33 PM ET (US) Either that or you found that missing Boston Whaler employee from 2007. They never did find his body.
Feejer	posted 05-12-2009 02:39 PM ET (US) lol I looked all around the bilge and outside of the hull and can't find any type of crack. I can understand something coming out thru the transom drain because that is the low spot on the boat. What I don't get is the stuff coming of the hole for the smartcraft paddle wheel which is much higher. Its located about two inch to the left of the transom eyes and about 2 inches to the right of the NEW transducer cable which has nothing coming out. I can't wait to see what the dealer comes up with.
Fish Stick	posted 05-12-2009 03:04 PM ET (US) Freejer, I had the same issue with my previous Whaler, a 2005 130 sport. It started weeping when I drilled into the side to mount something under the console. This was new from the dealer. I was told by the dealer there is a little bit of condensation/chemical/water (?) in all Whalers as a byproduct from the foam process. It can accumulate in different areas and penetrating the hull will create a path to releive the internal pressure and let this stuff seep out. It was easy enough to clean up and stopped after about 1 month by resealing the holes. I have been getting a similar brown/rusty trail from under the rub rail on our current 2006 150 Sport, since almost new. I have chalked it up to rust from the rub rail mounting screws and salt water, but have wondered if it was something internal weeping out of the screw holes. It has not stopped and gets cleaned regularly. I know from experience there is pressure between the exterior hull and liner. When sealing a recessed flag mount into the rear boarding step, I found a large bubble in the sealant when I returned. Expansion of air or off gassing from the hull interior inflated a decent bubble in the 5200. Had to strip it all off and reseal in the evening so it would cure as temperatures dropped. This same pressure/expansion is what I would suspect pushes the condensation/chemical/whatever out. Regardless, the boat is just as much fun today, as the day we bought it, and I don't really think there are any adverse affects. -Joe
Feejer	posted 05-12-2009 03:14 PM ET (US) Thanks Joe Thats some comforting information. Although I am wondering what is going to happen when I have the boat sitting in water for 2 weeks in July? Since their is something weeping out I would think water could weep IN.
Feejer	posted 05-12-2009 03:40 PM ET (US) I just got this email from Chuck Bennett. Thought I would share it Hi Laszlo, The pictures look like a little water may have found its way in between the transom, around the thru-hull fittings, perhaps. Sometimes it mixes with the reinforcements/fiberglass a bit and gives that reddish color. Your dealer should be able to take care of this easily by removing the thru-hulls affected, drying out the area (with a heat gun) and resealing any/all of the thru-hull fittings on the transom. Boston Whaler apologizes for any inconvenience this may have caused you, Laszlo; I'm sure Rick and the crew at Island Marine will have you up and running in no time. Thanks for the information on the four bladed prop. I'm glad to hear that it is working out for you. Regards, Chuck I can understand water seeping in, what I don't understand is this boat was wrapped for almost 2 years. When I first looked at it with the wrap off in March it was bone dry and what ever is leaking out was already leaking out. Anyway I hope it turns out to be nothing.
GreatBayNH	posted 05-12-2009 04:00 PM ET (US) My weeping stopped after a few months and I didn't do a thing. I really believe it's a byproduct from the manufacturing process. I think yours would have stopped on its own over time but having the dealer take a look and seal anything up that needs sealing is a good move. Especially if it's under warranty. I wouldn't sweat it Feej. Enjoy your new boat! -Seth
boatdryver	posted 05-12-2009 04:29 PM ET (US) Hey feejer. If there's a thread about your 4 bladed prop how can I find it? I'm wondering about getting one for my 200 Dauntless to improve dockside handling and decrease the ventilation on hole shot caused by the V hull digging a big hole in front of the prop JimL
Feejer	posted 05-12-2009 05:11 PM ET (US) Here you go Jim http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/006642.html
jimh	posted 05-13-2009 01:37 AM ET (US) I have seen a dark amber or brown fluid leaking from the hull or components of a Boston Whaler boat, but generally it has been older boats, say boats from the era of 1985 to 1988. I have taken it as a sign of some water that has mixed with some uncured resin in the laminate structure. I have seen it show up on a boat that is in such fabulous shape and appearance that you'd think it was a new boat. Someplace a little water has gotten into the interior and it comes out as a smelly brown liquid.