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Author | Topic: New 21 Foot Montauk |
bwhaler01 |
posted 09-03-2011 01:51 PM ET (US)
Hello. My Boston Whaler dealer tells me that a new 21 foot Montauk is to be released in 2012. BW has the drawings already made. Has anyone seen any renderings, pics, specs, etc that can be shared with us? I am excited to hear this and look forward to any news. Thank you. |
WT |
posted 09-03-2011 05:56 PM ET (US)
A 21 foot Montauk would look like an aircraft carrier. But it might work as a no frills economical ocean going fishing boat. I can't wait to see which motor options are available, maybe the non-supercharged Mercury FOURSTROKES? Warren |
fno |
posted 09-03-2011 06:20 PM ET (US)
Warren, I have yet to find anything economical with the Boston Whaler name on it. Unless of course you include those cheesy 50th keychains that wound up being clearanced for $0.75. But I look forward to seeing the flight deck of a 21 Montauk. |
WT |
posted 09-03-2011 07:24 PM ET (US)
But in relation to a new 20-22 foot Outrage or Dauntless, a 21 foot Montauk should be less expensive. :-) It would be interesting to see if Boston Whaler offers it with twin 115 four strokes. You'd have to spend a lot of money on a 22 Outrage before being able to get twin four stroke motors on a new Boston Whaler boat. Warren |
ktm3ten |
posted 09-05-2011 05:56 PM ET (US)
here's the confirmation!! |
Stinger23OR |
posted 09-05-2011 07:27 PM ET (US)
Our local BW dealer told me several weeks ago he had one on order but hadn't seen any pictures yet. I don't know if that has changed at this point and he did not share any specfic details of this new "210" Montauk. |
themclos |
posted 09-06-2011 03:10 PM ET (US)
Take a look at this link and click on the picture to get a profile view: http://bostonwhaler.com.hr/article.asp?id=67 Dan |
themclos |
posted 09-06-2011 03:12 PM ET (US)
And does that engine look like the recently discussed VERADOSAURUS? Dan |
themclos |
posted 09-06-2011 03:16 PM ET (US)
Sorry for all the posts. I continued searching and found some more pictures. I like it, but then again I have always been a fan of the simple nature of Montauk, regardless of era. http://www.moteurboat.com/actualite/infos/boston-whaler-210-montauk.html Dan |
WT |
posted 09-06-2011 03:18 PM ET (US)
Wow! Looks good to me. Warren |
themclos |
posted 09-06-2011 03:20 PM ET (US)
And a review of the specifications, sorry I did not translate them, shows that the boat's minimum horsepower is 150 HP, and its maximum is 200 HP, which might further support the thought that the soon to be released VERADOSAURUS (I do not like this name but I felt it important to link the 2 discussions), might be capable of generating 200 HP. Boston Whaler 210 Montauk Long. : 6,5 m Dan |
themclos |
posted 09-06-2011 03:30 PM ET (US)
Warren, I agree. As much as I am looking to go bigger, I continue to be drawn to the simple elegance of the Montauk platform. Easy to use, trailer and maintain. And a 72 gallon tank will take you a long way between fillups. Dan |
GreatBayNH |
posted 09-06-2011 03:30 PM ET (US)
Another pic. http://bostonwhaler.com.hr/images/news/67/210%20Montauk. jpg?rand=784217414 |
Jefecinco |
posted 09-06-2011 07:23 PM ET (US)
None of the pictures feature a Verado engine.In that size range for Europe what does that leave for possibilities? Butch |
Rhino |
posted 09-06-2011 07:56 PM ET (US)
I wish I could get those aft seat backrests for my 190 so I could make two nice comfortable rear seats for passengers. For now people have to sit on those seats with no back support. |
themclos |
posted 09-06-2011 08:21 PM ET (US)
Butch, The engine in the pictures is Mercury's soon to be released 150 HP Fourstroke. It is not a Verado, it is a new motor. See this thread: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/020833.html Dan |
Stinger23OR |
posted 09-06-2011 08:24 PM ET (US)
If you enlarge the photo and view the bow deck, it looks to me that BW may have brought back the vintage "mooring post" for the bow cleat. Do you think maybe so? |
bwhaler01 |
posted 09-06-2011 10:33 PM ET (US)
Conversion of themclos posted specs: Length: 21' 4" Awsome news guys. Keep it coming!!!! |
jimh |
posted 09-06-2011 11:07 PM ET (US)
This is very interesting news. The new 210 MONTAUK looks great in the photo-image. The hull design certainly shows its heritage to the 170 MONTAUK. I look forward to seeing a 210 MONTAUK in person and in the water. This is the real test of a boat's lines--how it looks in person in the water. If the overall size and style hold up as well as they present in the photo-image, this is going to be a beautiful boat. The 210 MONTAUK size also seems more in proportion to the engine. Some of the newer boats tend to be dwarfed by very large engines. This boat-engine proportion looks much nicer. |
number9 |
posted 09-07-2011 06:51 AM ET (US)
quote: All I can see is a cleat for tying off and larger/taller than typical nav light/chock assembly. Glad to see a new Whaler that I might get excited about if money were no object. The length of this Montauk fills out the high freeboard the others are stuck with. |
ktm3ten |
posted 09-07-2011 07:04 AM ET (US)
What do you all think is the utility of a 21' boat with such shallow dead-rise angle? Assuming the deadrise is unchanged from the 17 and 19 models, the stern of this boat has a rounded profile. How detrimental will this be in choppy weather performance for such a large craft? |
Peter |
posted 09-07-2011 09:23 AM ET (US)
I think you have to put this boat in the large bay boat niche of the market. It's Whaler's value offering in the 20 to 22 foot category. I wonder how well the VALURADO 150 will do pushing a 2500 lb boat, 8.5 foot beam around. I'm guessing that lightly loaded it will be a 42 to 44 MPH boat with about 5.0 MPG best cruise at 25 MPH. |
Jefecinco |
posted 09-07-2011 10:14 AM ET (US)
My 190 Montauk with a 135 HP Verado makes about 40 mph. I believe a 210 Montauk with a 150 Four Stroke will struggle to break 40 MPH. With the optimum propeller and engine height with a very light load the 210 may exceed 40 MPH on a good day. Admittedly my engine could probably do a bit better if raised one hole. Butch |
Ferdinando |
posted 09-07-2011 10:23 AM ET (US)
I have the Montauk 190 and the only difference I can see from the pictures is that it looks like the additional 2 ft are in the stern. It still has the baitwell (which I hate and robs valuable space). When I first heard about this new 21 I would have thought it would have twins on the stern like the old 18 but it does not. Would have been a good selling point. I would also recommend the 200 instead of the 150 as the 115 Merc which came with mine was a dog till I changed it for the E-Tec 150. Now it moves like my old 17 with a 100hp. Still a nice looking machine, anyone know how much it's going to cost??????
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chuck21401 |
posted 09-07-2011 09:52 PM ET (US)
I like it. How much? |
whaler007 |
posted 09-08-2011 09:22 PM ET (US)
"The floating bathtub" just got bigger! The 190 seems much larger than the 170. But the 210 doesn't seem all that bigger than the 190. That might not make sense, but just my perception. Either way, I love the look of the Montauks. Cool boats. ...Coming from a happy 190 owner. Guessing $65-70k new? |
WT |
posted 09-08-2011 10:11 PM ET (US)
I'd guess with the newer less expensive outboards that a 210 Montauk is under $50K, 190 Montauk is under $40K and 170 Montauk is under $30K. Ed's Superstore told me the new 150 hp FOURSTROKE is going to sell for $10,100. Just guessing, Warren |
Jefecinco |
posted 09-09-2011 09:37 AM ET (US)
As stated earlier the 210 should be a perfect bay boat for four or more anglers. It should also serve nicely for near shore fishing or even off shore fishing in good conditions. I moved from a 16 Dauntless to a 190 Montauk and have been delighted. It took a few launch and retrieve cycles before I became comfortable with the larger boat. I expect the 210 will be a little more intimidating at the ramp when boating solo for those moving from smaller boats. At my age I doubt I'll own a boat larger than the 190. Butch |
boatdryver |
posted 09-09-2011 11:27 AM ET (US)
The 190 Montauk is already has an 8 foot beam. Unless additional seating is added the main gain will be in deck space for fishing. Maybe they will put a larger live well under the helm seats or forward of the console instead of back by the transom. Or maybe the console is large enough for a porta potty. The porta potty on my 200 Dauntless has never been used in 3 years since we don't have a contortionist in the family. It will be interesting to see a layout and the price differential between the 190 and 210 Montauk. JimL |
Jerry Townsend |
posted 09-12-2011 12:07 PM ET (US)
bwhaler01 - Thanks - saved me a few minutes. A photograph of the 21 Montauk alongside of a similar sized Outrage would be nice. I remember in '96, a marina's ad for a 17 Montauk - and when I took a look at it, there was a 17 Outrage, both new, along-side of it - and I bought the Outrage. --- Jerry/Idaho |
Tohsgib |
posted 09-14-2011 12:11 PM ET (US)
Back in the 70's they had a 19 & 21 Outrage/Revenge. The 21 had an additional 2' in the stern, unfortunately it was kinda wasted as the engine was mounted inward of 2 sponsons. The 21 will give a slightly better ride due to an extra 2' but inside room may be negligible as in the ole bananas. Back then they were only 100lbs apart unlike today which is several hundred apart. 2500lbs is heavy for a 115, then again 1450 is heavy for a 60 but Whaler still put them on 170's. |
Tohsgib |
posted 09-14-2011 12:12 PM ET (US)
I meant 150, not 115. |
Basshole |
posted 09-18-2011 02:13 AM ET (US)
Wow! That thing looks awesome! Looks like a Montauk on steroids. Did Greg Anderson get a job working for Whaler? :) |
GreatBayNH |
posted 09-29-2011 06:19 PM ET (US)
And the money shot... |
GreatBayNH |
posted 09-29-2011 06:36 PM ET (US)
I had to get these pictures saved off somewhere else besides the pdf from the UK. Enjoy. http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/srcbell/210Montauk/210Montauk_a. jpg http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/srcbell/210Montauk/210Montauk.jpg |
chuck21401 |
posted 09-30-2011 10:21 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the additional pics/info, GreatBayNH. Now my question is, what would the trade in value be on a botel kept, low hour, 2008 170 Montauk? I might have to the check with my local dealer... |
boatdryver |
posted 09-30-2011 10:26 AM ET (US)
Hmmmm.... I see a livewell in the stern that extends very far forward and a large -what is it?- "sunning" deck forward? I don't see much "footroom" for a 21 foot hull. Less than I remember seeing in the 190 Montauk. JimL |
Ferdinando |
posted 09-30-2011 06:03 PM ET (US)
It seems that the extra 2 feet are between the RPS and the baitwell. As I've said before that the baitwell takes up to much space for my tastes. Matter of fact the commercial 190 has no baitwell and the space is uage. I had more space in my old 17 Montauk in the rear than I have now with the 190. I used to be able to put a small chair in that space on the 17 but I can't fit the same chair in the rear of the 190. Go figure......... |
bwhaler01 |
posted 10-01-2011 09:40 AM ET (US)
See the link fo the 210 Montauk price list. Whaler left a back door to find this. Very pricy when loaded up. Note that all options are not listed, ie T-top. Some pics are missing. But if you click the option pics, you can get a good feel to what she looks like. [urlwww.bostonwhaler.com/page.aspx/pageid/33910/pmid/268465/stepNumber/2/Build-This-Boat.aspx[/url] Enjoy :) |
bwhaler01 |
posted 10-01-2011 09:41 AM ET (US)
See the link fo the 210 Montauk price list. Whaler left a back door to find this. Very pricy when loaded up. Note that all options are not listed, ie T-top. Some pics are missing. But if you click the option pics, you can get a good feel to what she looks like. www.bostonwhaler.com/page.aspx/pageid/33910/pmid/268465/stepNumber/2/ Build-This-Boat.aspx Enjoy :) |
bwhaler01 |
posted 10-01-2011 09:46 AM ET (US)
Now I see the link doesn't want to work... Uhh. Using the build boat page link I previously sent: Click "choose model" in the itemized price list. Then scroll down to bottom page where the montauks are listed - select 210 Montauk. That should do it. |
Rick U |
posted 10-01-2011 06:40 PM ET (US)
Selected Optional Equipment: Canvas Console cover (black or blue) $344.00 5.7" Raymarine® Electronics / Navigation Package 150 XL DTS Mercury® Verado FourStroke engine $0.00 Fishing Package Aft quarter seats (port and starboard) with removable backrests and base cushions $929.00 |
chuck21401 |
posted 10-01-2011 07:52 PM ET (US)
I was able to build the 210 after selecting the model on tihs page. http://www.bostonwhaler.com/page.aspx/pageid/33910/pmid/268455/ stepNumber/2/Build-This-Boat.aspx |
chuck21401 |
posted 10-01-2011 07:54 PM ET (US)
Hmmm. Same problem. From the link above, select "<< Choose Model" and that will give you an index page to choose from. |
chuck21401 |
posted 10-01-2011 07:57 PM ET (US)
Sigh. I ended up at $60K, and that was before the T-TOP (which isn't listed as an option). I've have to have the 200HP engine. |
boatdryver |
posted 10-02-2011 09:45 AM ET (US)
I'd rather have a nice, dry, repowered Outrage 22 for 25K JimL |
Jefecinco |
posted 10-02-2011 10:51 AM ET (US)
Jim, When deciding on a replacement for my 16 Dauntless a 19 Outrage was on my list. Ultimately I choose a 190 Montauk with a 135 Verado engine. If my fishing plans had included more offshore fishing the Outrage would have been my choice. But, for a number of reasons I believe the Montauk is better suited for inshore fishing. I have to add that the squared off bow that once looked awkward to me has become a feature I like a lot. Butch |
boatdryver |
posted 10-02-2011 11:29 AM ET (US)
Yes, I meant a repowered classic 22 ft Outrage with the "squared off" bow would be my choice at about $25K, even $30K, over a 210 Montauk at $60K. I agree about Montauks in general; I had a classic smirked Montauk with a Honda 90 and came close to buying a 190 Montauk before settling on a 200 Dauntless for its seating capacity and lower bow for hopping off when beaching. JimL |
GreatBayNH |
posted 10-02-2011 02:55 PM ET (US)
http://s75.photobucket.com/albums/i316/srcbell/210Montauk/?action=view& current=brochure-270171.jpg |
LabRtvr |
posted 10-03-2011 12:46 PM ET (US)
The 210 Montauk is now on whaler.com. |
chuck21401 |
posted 10-03-2011 01:21 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the heads up, LabRtvr. Here's a link to the performance numbers, to save folks a click: |
luife |
posted 10-03-2011 02:47 PM ET (US)
Looking at the deckplan it looks like if you don't opt for the livewell you don't have the structure of the livewell in front of the splashwell like on the Montaul 190. I think on this model it is just an add on versus part of the splashwell as in the 190. Looks pretty nice. It seems that these classic lines are selling well at BW. |
LabRtvr |
posted 10-03-2011 02:54 PM ET (US)
By the numbers on the Performance Chart I am not sure the 200 Verado is worth the $5K upgrade. |
chuck21401 |
posted 10-03-2011 09:17 PM ET (US)
re: not sure the 200 Verado is worth the $5K upgrade. I thought for sure the 210 Montauk would hit 50mph+ with the 200 Verado. Maybe the drag from the T-top slows things down. On another note, BW should offer this boat with twin 90 Merc FourStrokes engine. re: livewell. The livewell sure takes up critical real estate, I think I'll order mine with the bench seat. |
Jefecinco |
posted 10-04-2011 09:54 AM ET (US)
Additional speed of a few MPH is not always something we want to pay $5,000 to have. There are other factors that can play into added horsepower. From a seat of the pants perspective, IMO, nothing accelerates quite like a Verado. But that is still a lot of cost for the fun of great acceleration. The 210 is a heavy boat so if it will be used to routinely carry heavy loads the extra horsepower and torque of the Verado may be a good value for buyers contemplating that use of the boat. If you have used DTS you will want it on your next boat. If I was buying a 210 Montauk and my finances allowed I'd hang a 200 HP Verado on the back. When the day comes to sell the boat I believe a good bit of the extra cost can be recouped. Meanwhile the reserve power and DTS will add to the safety and fun of the boat. Butch |
wingman |
posted 10-04-2011 04:27 PM ET (US)
New montauk 21 looks promising. Anyone care to ponder its likely capabilities compared to a new outrage 190? |
Nushlie |
posted 10-04-2011 07:49 PM ET (US)
Wingman: The outrage 190 is a great boat. The pricing is similar to that of the Montauk 210. My guess would be the 210 Montauk will have considerably more fishing space than the outrage 190. Both boats are fairly expensive but worth the money to people that appreciate Whaler quality. Nushlie |
Jefecinco |
posted 10-05-2011 10:14 AM ET (US)
The Outrage may be more comfortable in a chop or head seas and be able to get home a little more quickly in the snot. The Montauk may be a little faster in good conditions and more economical to operate. I suspect the Montauk would do better on a drift and it will be a more stable fishing platform. As stated, the Montauk will have more fishing space. I don't know if the Outrage has a head in the console but it is a useful feature, especially if the ladies are with you. The Outrage would probably be a better offshore fishing boat. We should be getting some reports on the 210 Montauk within a few months. Butch |
GreatBayNH |
posted 10-17-2011 07:02 PM ET (US)
When will the 210 Montauk get the hype the 170 Montauk did in 2002. Where's the love? |
boatdryver |
posted 10-19-2011 10:50 AM ET (US)
The 210 Montauk has the same 102 inch beam as the 190 Montauk, weighs 600 lbs more dry plus another 10 gallons of fuel. It is 2 feet longer overall, and about a foot of that is lost to what appears to be a longer forward anchor well/"sundeck" area. The optional livewell is similarly positioned just forward of the outboard well. I'd like to see more photographs of the deck plan. So far, I don't see a lot more foot room in the 210 Montauk compared to the 190 Montauk. It's relatively inexpensive for a builder to add 2 feet the the hull mold, make a new deck mold, and create a new model boat that sells for a lot more. So far, I don't see a big reason for a buyer to prefer the 210 over the 190 Montauk, which would perform better with 150 HP. JimL |
GreatBayNH |
posted 10-19-2011 01:02 PM ET (US)
I see your point. The T-Top and head in concole might turn some people on. Having said that, the T-Top is 4,771 USD more and you'd have to be a pretty small person to get in the console from the looks of it. |
boatdryver |
posted 10-19-2011 03:38 PM ET (US)
yep, my Dauntless 200 has a porta potti inside the console. I'm only 6 ft, 200 lbs and when I go in there to clean the mildew after the winter I have to back in and twist my shoulders at an angle. so far in 3 seasons the porta potty has never been used. We use a wide mouth plastic Coffee Mate container with a handle from Costco instead. JimL |
GreatBayNH |
posted 10-19-2011 04:39 PM ET (US)
Only 6 ft, 200 lbs? Only? You're a giant in most European countries. |
Rick U |
posted 10-19-2011 08:58 PM ET (US)
Doesn't the 190 Montauk have an 8' beam? The 210 Montauk is 8.5' beam. |
Tom W Clark |
posted 10-19-2011 09:16 PM ET (US)
The 190 Montauk has a 96" beam The 210 Montauk has a 102" beam. |
bwhaler01 |
posted 10-21-2011 02:44 PM ET (US)
Have any of you heard of when the new 150 hp 3.0 liter engine option will be available? I read January, but my dealer is saying March.... Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. |
Whalerdog |
posted 10-22-2011 06:20 PM ET (US)
What I was wishing for few years ago. With a price of 55-60 I doubt in will happen in this economy for me. The new 150 might be possible on my 19 Montauk. |
sosmerc |
posted 10-25-2011 08:36 PM ET (US)
The new F150 Merc is supposed to be available in December. I have one on order for a customer and that's what we were told. We are on the West Coast. |
bwhaler01 |
posted 11-13-2011 06:12 PM ET (US)
The 210 Montauk has trim tabs as an option. Does it make sense for a vessel of this size to opt for them, considering the outboard engine has power tilt to trim the bow? I welcome any insight of trim tabes for smaller craft with tilt engines. Thank you. |
sosmerc |
posted 11-14-2011 11:12 AM ET (US)
Trim tabs are always a benefit in that they enable the driver to level the boat under changing weight conditions, and they greatly aid in keeping the boat on plane at a lower rpm setting. I've never had a boat that I didn't want to have trim tabs on...and all of my boats have been under 21ft. |
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