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Ridge Runner posted 04-11-2010 08:49 AM ET (US)
Does any one know what are the production changes made by Boston Whaler each year the 170 Montauk has been for sale since it's introduction?
Portola posted 04-12-2010 01:02 AM ET (US)
I've been looking for a 170 Montauk, so I'm interested too. Whaler.com has owners manuals for recent models, so you might be able to divine changes with enough comparison reading.
Changes may not be great, but they have been at least enough to affect the shape of a mooring cover. I noticed that Mills Canvas sells four different mooring covers for the 170:
2002-2005
2006
2007
2008-
ktm3ten posted 04-12-2010 09:58 AM ET (US)
I'm no expert, but here's a few I know of:
- '07-'08:
-Console Height Raised
-Larger Bilge pump area to accomadate livewell
-Reinforcements added to floor to allow for installation of aft bench seat
-Forward rigging tube added to all hulls whether trolling motor panel is installed or not. (I think this is '08??)
Not sure what year:
-Some of the older models (Pre '08??) had a piece of starboard screwed to the top of the fiberglass reversible pilot seat 'can'. In later models, this is a solid fiberglass can. (Some people like the old style because access can be gained through that starboard panel to fuel tanks or storage solutions can be developed.
-Some of the older models don't have the stern cleats

Those are what I remember off the top of my head, anyone who knows otherwise is free to correct me!!
K
wbullwin posted 04-12-2010 11:42 AM ET (US)
Ridge Runner - Is there a particular thing you are looking for? There are probably even more than listed. I have an '03 and I did find out that the RPS up to '04 was the same as used in the Dauntless which has the removable Starboard insert, which I made into a hinged door to access a new tank.
It might help if you have a reason stated for the question.
Ridge Runner posted 04-12-2010 12:03 PM ET (US)
I trying to understand if any of the changes would affect the value (or perceived value) of a bare hull. So if you have been following a couple of my threads you’ll see that I picked up a 2005 170 hull and did a repower. My brother picked up a 2003 and is also repowering. Now a couple of my friends are interested in purchasing hulls for repower projects. It seems there might a trend to put 115HP DFI’s on these transoms. Looking at the current market there is 2002 170 with Mercury carb’ed 2-cycle at $13,000 so you can sell the outboard for ~$2,000 and start at the project at ~$11,000 for a bare hull. A 2006 170 hull after selling the current outboard comes in at ~$14,500 and a 2007 bare hull is ~$16,000, seller wants to keep his outboard and only sell the hull.
Not factoring in resell value into the decision process, because these will be kept for many years after the repowers, and all else being equal (physical condition of the hull) is there enough value in the production changes that B/W had made to these hulls to justify the cost differences?
Marlin posted 04-12-2010 12:53 PM ET (US)
I don't have a 170, but from my readings here, I think there are 3 substantial changes that you should consider:
1) Addition of stern cleats, starting 2004 ( http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/170Montauk/ ). But apparently there are backing plates even in the older models, so adding cleats isn't difficult ( http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000978.html ).
2) Addition of plywood in the transom for a kicker motor, starting 7/12/2002 ( http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/170Montauk/ ).
3) Raised center console, starting approx. 5/23/2007 (as documented in drawing 09201 rev. G, http://www.whalerparts.com/Diagrams/2008/170%20Montauk/09201170MTSHT1-4. pdf ).
Other relatively minor changes:
4) Change to bowrail design to reduce vibration, starting mid-2006 ( http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002702.html ).
Ridge Runner posted 04-12-2010 01:34 PM ET (US)
Marlin, Excellent post - thank you.
SC Joe posted 04-12-2010 11:06 PM ET (US)
The extra 4" of console height was worth it to me to buy an '08 model over an '07 model. I found the smaller console too short.
Also, the availability of the rear live well was left out of the above differences.
chuck21401 posted 04-13-2010 09:44 PM ET (US)
I am 6'4" so the taller console on the 2008+ 170 models is a perfect fit for me. I continue to think about adding the rear bench seat but never seem to have the extra $1700 in my pocket. Yet.
fishinchips posted 04-14-2010 01:27 AM ET (US)
I didn't even know whaler made the console taller (4").
Ken
GreatBayNH posted 04-14-2010 10:42 AM ET (US)
It should be noted that the RPS was raised too. Well, in truth they added a few inches to the RPS cushion. The RPS hardware is the same.
-Seth
SC Joe posted 04-14-2010 03:55 PM ET (US)
I don't recall the cushion being any different from other years.
Former CW member Feejer had a thicker custom RPS cushion made (about 4" thick)that I purchased, that while comfy, doesn't appreciably lift anything.
GreatBayNH posted 04-14-2010 05:06 PM ET (US)
I e-mailed Boston Whaler about the raised RPS a few years ago. Chuck Bennet was the one who replied and said the RPS was not raised however the cushion gained an inch.
-Seth
GreatBayNH posted 04-14-2010 05:07 PM ET (US)
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/003452.html
SC Joe posted 04-14-2010 08:16 PM ET (US)
They must have thrown and older cushion on mine, 'cause I can't see a difference.
GreatBayNH posted 04-15-2010 04:16 PM ET (US)
It's only an inch. Would be hard to tell I'd imagine.

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Author	Topic: Production Year Changes of the 170 Montauk
Ridge Runner	posted 04-11-2010 08:49 AM ET (US) Does any one know what are the production changes made by Boston Whaler each year the 170 Montauk has been for sale since it's introduction?
Portola	posted 04-12-2010 01:02 AM ET (US) I've been looking for a 170 Montauk, so I'm interested too. Whaler.com has owners manuals for recent models, so you might be able to divine changes with enough comparison reading. Changes may not be great, but they have been at least enough to affect the shape of a mooring cover. I noticed that Mills Canvas sells four different mooring covers for the 170: 2002-2005 2006 2007 2008-
ktm3ten	posted 04-12-2010 09:58 AM ET (US) I'm no expert, but here's a few I know of: - '07-'08: -Console Height Raised -Larger Bilge pump area to accomadate livewell -Reinforcements added to floor to allow for installation of aft bench seat -Forward rigging tube added to all hulls whether trolling motor panel is installed or not. (I think this is '08??) Not sure what year: -Some of the older models (Pre '08??) had a piece of starboard screwed to the top of the fiberglass reversible pilot seat 'can'. In later models, this is a solid fiberglass can. (Some people like the old style because access can be gained through that starboard panel to fuel tanks or storage solutions can be developed. -Some of the older models don't have the stern cleats Those are what I remember off the top of my head, anyone who knows otherwise is free to correct me!! K
wbullwin	posted 04-12-2010 11:42 AM ET (US) Ridge Runner - Is there a particular thing you are looking for? There are probably even more than listed. I have an '03 and I did find out that the RPS up to '04 was the same as used in the Dauntless which has the removable Starboard insert, which I made into a hinged door to access a new tank. It might help if you have a reason stated for the question.
Ridge Runner	posted 04-12-2010 12:03 PM ET (US) I trying to understand if any of the changes would affect the value (or perceived value) of a bare hull. So if you have been following a couple of my threads you’ll see that I picked up a 2005 170 hull and did a repower. My brother picked up a 2003 and is also repowering. Now a couple of my friends are interested in purchasing hulls for repower projects. It seems there might a trend to put 115HP DFI’s on these transoms. Looking at the current market there is 2002 170 with Mercury carb’ed 2-cycle at $13,000 so you can sell the outboard for ~$2,000 and start at the project at ~$11,000 for a bare hull. A 2006 170 hull after selling the current outboard comes in at ~$14,500 and a 2007 bare hull is ~$16,000, seller wants to keep his outboard and only sell the hull. Not factoring in resell value into the decision process, because these will be kept for many years after the repowers, and all else being equal (physical condition of the hull) is there enough value in the production changes that B/W had made to these hulls to justify the cost differences?
Marlin	posted 04-12-2010 12:53 PM ET (US) I don't have a 170, but from my readings here, I think there are 3 substantial changes that you should consider: 1) Addition of stern cleats, starting 2004 ( http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/170Montauk/ ). But apparently there are backing plates even in the older models, so adding cleats isn't difficult ( http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000978.html ). 2) Addition of plywood in the transom for a kicker motor, starting 7/12/2002 ( http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/170Montauk/ ). 3) Raised center console, starting approx. 5/23/2007 (as documented in drawing 09201 rev. G, http://www.whalerparts.com/Diagrams/2008/170%20Montauk/09201170MTSHT1-4. pdf ). Other relatively minor changes: 4) Change to bowrail design to reduce vibration, starting mid-2006 ( http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/002702.html ).
Ridge Runner	posted 04-12-2010 01:34 PM ET (US) Marlin, Excellent post - thank you.
SC Joe	posted 04-12-2010 11:06 PM ET (US) The extra 4" of console height was worth it to me to buy an '08 model over an '07 model. I found the smaller console too short. Also, the availability of the rear live well was left out of the above differences.
chuck21401	posted 04-13-2010 09:44 PM ET (US) I am 6'4" so the taller console on the 2008+ 170 models is a perfect fit for me. I continue to think about adding the rear bench seat but never seem to have the extra $1700 in my pocket. Yet.
fishinchips	posted 04-14-2010 01:27 AM ET (US) I didn't even know whaler made the console taller (4"). Ken
GreatBayNH	posted 04-14-2010 10:42 AM ET (US) It should be noted that the RPS was raised too. Well, in truth they added a few inches to the RPS cushion. The RPS hardware is the same. -Seth
SC Joe	posted 04-14-2010 03:55 PM ET (US) I don't recall the cushion being any different from other years. Former CW member Feejer had a thicker custom RPS cushion made (about 4" thick)that I purchased, that while comfy, doesn't appreciably lift anything.
GreatBayNH	posted 04-14-2010 05:06 PM ET (US) I e-mailed Boston Whaler about the raised RPS a few years ago. Chuck Bennet was the one who replied and said the RPS was not raised however the cushion gained an inch. -Seth
GreatBayNH	posted 04-14-2010 05:07 PM ET (US) http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/003452.html
SC Joe	posted 04-14-2010 08:16 PM ET (US) They must have thrown and older cushion on mine, 'cause I can't see a difference.
GreatBayNH	posted 04-15-2010 04:16 PM ET (US) It's only an inch. Would be hard to tell I'd imagine.